1 00:00:03,980 --> 00:00:01,670 this program is brought to you by the 2 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:03,990 genesis communications network a world 3 00:00:17,220 --> 00:00:07,350 leader in talk radio since 1998 visit 4 00:00:17,230 --> 00:00:31,840 [Music] 5 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:35,090 you're in the para cast the gold 6 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:39,200 standard of paranormal radio now here's 7 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:42,170 gene Stein 8 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:44,610 so Chris O'Brien is on special 9 00:00:50,270 --> 00:00:46,470 assignment and he's preparing for I 10 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:50,280 guess what is an overseas trip that's 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:53,280 going to occur next week so we know he 12 00:00:55,340 --> 00:00:54,690 wanted the extra time to get things 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:55,350 ready 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:00:57,570 in the meantime got a few things to tell 15 00:01:01,790 --> 00:00:59,370 you about because we've been looking 16 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:01,800 into the future of the power cast how 17 00:01:06,380 --> 00:01:04,199 best to expand our audience and we got a 18 00:01:09,290 --> 00:01:06,390 letter from the affiliate relations 19 00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:09,300 department over GCN our network and he 20 00:01:13,399 --> 00:01:11,880 tells me that the power cast and also 21 00:01:18,110 --> 00:01:13,409 the other show the tech night out live 22 00:01:22,610 --> 00:01:18,120 are now being heard over K R Fe 580 a.m. 23 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:22,620 radio in Lubbock Texas which is a pretty 24 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:25,080 big market and 580 of course is one of 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:27,750 those great frequencies for AM radio so 26 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:31,530 it carries a real long way so babe 27 00:01:37,249 --> 00:01:33,630 Lovick Texas maybe we'll bring back some 28 00:01:39,859 --> 00:01:37,259 UFOs to Lubbock Texas that's gonna be 29 00:01:42,350 --> 00:01:39,869 the news and one more thing just one 30 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:42,360 more thing and that is I got a note here 31 00:01:49,389 --> 00:01:44,030 from the program director 32 00:01:52,039 --> 00:01:49,399 Marvin Walther from W iOS AM 1480 in 33 00:01:54,529 --> 00:01:52,049 Michigan were hurt in Michigan that's 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:54,539 right and he said when I asked him for 35 00:02:00,620 --> 00:01:57,810 some stats and ratings based on listener 36 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:00,630 statistics from our online streaming it 37 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:03,869 looks like Lapera ghast is at least as 38 00:02:09,950 --> 00:02:06,390 popular among our audience as Rush 39 00:02:12,230 --> 00:02:09,960 Limbaugh Sean Hannity even more popular 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:12,240 than Mark Levin well maybe that's not a 41 00:02:16,730 --> 00:02:14,250 great achievement but you know Mark 42 00:02:19,550 --> 00:02:16,740 Levin at least you have more than double 43 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:19,560 the listenership of coast to coast am 44 00:02:23,660 --> 00:02:22,680 and streaming stats that's what it says 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:23,670 here and I asked him what about the 46 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:26,490 station itself and he said that trend is 47 00:02:30,590 --> 00:02:29,340 mirrored on the station itself there's a 48 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:30,600 lot of people out there listening they 49 00:02:34,490 --> 00:02:32,190 just put these papers away because I 50 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:34,500 think it's professional when you're in 51 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:36,660 radio to have the sounds of putting away 52 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:39,780 papers there we go I 53 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:41,550 see who does that rush limbaugh does 54 00:02:47,449 --> 00:02:45,240 that and also TV host Rachel Maddow does 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:47,459 the paper thing and maybe if I keep 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:50,010 doing papers like that I'll know I won't 57 00:02:54,110 --> 00:02:52,050 make as much money anyway our guest 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:54,120 co-host this week is Greg Bishop hey 59 00:03:00,820 --> 00:02:57,450 there Greg hi gene hi Chris we also have 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:00,830 a special guest okay surprise guest 61 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:04,290 coming from a long long way out there 62 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:05,280 all right 63 00:03:10,870 --> 00:03:08,700 greetings earth creatures you think that 64 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:10,880 you have tuned into one of your 65 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:13,769 broadcasts but we are going to have 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:18,300 control now no matter who you might send 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:19,770 into space 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:24,530 [Laughter] 69 00:03:30,790 --> 00:03:26,130 who is this 70 00:03:36,559 --> 00:03:30,800 this is Ming the Emperor of this 71 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:36,569 foundational galaxy an emperor named the 72 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:41,010 Emperor you may bow down I have sent my 73 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:45,180 minions toward your planet well last 74 00:03:49,009 --> 00:03:47,430 week I was kneeling before Zod so it's 75 00:03:51,979 --> 00:03:49,019 getting a little crowded out there for 76 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:51,989 people who want to control what we do or 77 00:03:56,650 --> 00:03:53,790 so you think 78 00:03:58,850 --> 00:03:56,660 [Laughter] 79 00:04:00,590 --> 00:03:58,860 may I ask something here you're an 80 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:00,600 advanced being from another planet right 81 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:06,239 mr. Ming or Emperor Ming yes so why do 82 00:04:13,940 --> 00:04:09,570 you speak in a bad German accent it was 83 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:13,950 left over France was taken it was too 84 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:14,630 messy 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:18,750 welcome to Chris rutowski who has powers 86 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:21,810 and abilities that we know nothing about 87 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:25,470 when did you start Krista stick about 88 00:04:32,779 --> 00:04:29,160 doing Ming well that goes back guess 89 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:32,789 about four or five years ago when there 90 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:34,140 was some radio plays that were being 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:36,720 produced by a theater company and I was 92 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:40,610 invited to participate and voice some 93 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:43,020 some radio plays there was a lot of fun 94 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:44,910 we did some Flash Gordon we did some 95 00:04:49,969 --> 00:04:48,000 shadow we did some Doc Savage 96 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:49,979 lots of the fun stuff and you know when 97 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:51,030 you really get into it with all the 98 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:53,220 sound effects and the the horror and 99 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:55,230 send me the organ playing in the 100 00:05:01,610 --> 00:04:59,040 background it's just a lot of fun now I 101 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:01,620 wonder how many people nowadays remember 102 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:05,130 this shadow because when I grew up in 103 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:08,370 Brooklyn New York but that was my 104 00:05:12,860 --> 00:05:10,500 favorite well you know there's actually 105 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:12,870 a revival of that there's a number of 106 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:15,810 companies that have started producing 107 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:18,810 and republishing the the old pulps and 108 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:21,990 book forms you can actually get the the 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:23,820 pulps reproduced and a facsimile edition 110 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:25,650 is really nice with some color 111 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:27,150 illustrations as well as some of the 112 00:05:31,460 --> 00:05:28,740 original illustrations from back then 113 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:31,470 and some of the radio plays themselves 114 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:34,080 have been produced so there really is an 115 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:36,180 interest in this I guess that says 116 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:37,800 something that people are looking for 117 00:05:41,630 --> 00:05:39,150 something that isn't the same anymore 118 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:41,640 because I think we we're almost reached 119 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:45,150 the point of superhero burnout between 120 00:05:51,980 --> 00:05:49,710 DC and Marvel and civil war and and all 121 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:51,990 that sort of stuff it's in Ragnarok and 122 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:53,610 we know we reach the point where we want 123 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:54,930 something a little bit different and 124 00:05:59,920 --> 00:05:56,820 certainly a throwback to the good old 125 00:06:03,710 --> 00:05:59,930 days really makes makes a good listening 126 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:03,720 now you have to look at the shadow which 127 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:05,850 was a Street and Smith publication and 128 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:08,550 the radio show back in the 30s and it 129 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:12,810 influenced Batman among other things it 130 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:17,970 did in fact Doc Savage was a was a 131 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:20,220 precursor to Superman or some of the 132 00:06:25,130 --> 00:06:23,070 Superman stuff in its day it all was 133 00:06:27,380 --> 00:06:25,140 related to one another and the pulp 134 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:27,390 authors were trying to really outdo one 135 00:06:32,210 --> 00:06:29,760 another and in some ways just copy one 136 00:06:33,620 --> 00:06:32,220 another so that they they knew their 137 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:33,630 audience they knew what people wanted to 138 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:35,310 read they knew the dime novels were 139 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:39,630 really popular and that suspense was 140 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:42,419 carried over into the radio shows so it 141 00:06:49,550 --> 00:06:46,410 was great to pick up the the dime novel 142 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:49,560 or the the pulps from the newspaper 143 00:06:53,870 --> 00:06:51,870 vendor and then listen to some of the 144 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:53,880 other stuff that evening was a great 145 00:07:00,350 --> 00:06:56,850 time for science fiction and phantom in 146 00:07:02,810 --> 00:07:00,360 general now one of the main writers of 147 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:02,820 the Shanno was a magician name of Walter 148 00:07:06,089 --> 00:07:05,310 B Gibson who wrote what about 300 of the 149 00:07:10,589 --> 00:07:06,099 shadow now 150 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:10,599 a lot of those a lot yeah fascinating 151 00:07:16,799 --> 00:07:14,529 stuff in those early days and Doc Savage 152 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:16,809 they've tried with a couple of movies I 153 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:19,089 think a TV movie it didn't do well I 154 00:07:24,089 --> 00:07:21,490 heard they were making another movie for 155 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:24,099 Doc Savage it's a matter of adapting it 156 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:26,499 to a modern audience yeah I'd like to 157 00:07:29,999 --> 00:07:28,330 see that there's a story about how he 158 00:07:32,189 --> 00:07:30,009 can actually fit into the Marvel 159 00:07:33,779 --> 00:07:32,199 Universe and he probably could because 160 00:07:36,359 --> 00:07:33,789 he moves a confirmed case ari a 161 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:36,369 contemporary of Captain America back 162 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:39,370 then so there is a way the movie with 163 00:07:46,110 --> 00:07:42,639 Ronnie Lee back in that but 70s or so 164 00:07:47,969 --> 00:07:46,120 was not as bad as as some broadcast in 165 00:07:50,999 --> 00:07:47,979 fact I watched it again recently and 166 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:51,009 it's a lot of fun but there are ways of 167 00:07:55,469 --> 00:07:52,960 bringing some of these pulp heroes back 168 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:55,479 and it would be nice to see now the 169 00:08:02,249 --> 00:07:58,139 shadow I don't think they ever did right 170 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:02,259 because the B movies of the 40's were 171 00:08:08,339 --> 00:08:05,770 just junk they tried again in the 90s 172 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:08,349 where a very famous screenwriter David 173 00:08:13,649 --> 00:08:11,110 Koepp wrote the screenplay Alec Baldwin 174 00:08:17,249 --> 00:08:13,659 played Lamont Cranston in the shadow no 175 00:08:19,739 --> 00:08:17,259 yes Jonathan winters played the police 176 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:19,749 commissioner and the taxi cab driver was 177 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:22,719 played by of course a certain actor we 178 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:25,240 remember from Young Frankenstein Peter 179 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:26,529 Boyle that's right 180 00:08:33,089 --> 00:08:29,680 now I liked it except for the problem is 181 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:33,099 that they went too too far I think it 182 00:08:37,529 --> 00:08:35,620 was too much over the top it was very 183 00:08:40,259 --> 00:08:37,539 campy no question they they played on 184 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:40,269 the camp if they cut back the camp I 185 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:42,490 think it would have worked but then look 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:45,519 at the beginning scenes where Lamont 187 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:48,730 Cranston goes to the Orient and learns 188 00:08:54,269 --> 00:08:51,420 to become a crime fighter after 189 00:08:56,129 --> 00:08:54,279 discovering the secrets of crime then 190 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:56,139 look at the beginning of Batman Begins 191 00:09:03,300 --> 00:08:59,010 and tell me you don't see how he 192 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:03,310 influences and and dr. strange which 193 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:05,410 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00:14:16,870 question about the para cast sent it to 320 00:14:23,069 --> 00:14:19,779 news at the para cast com 321 00:14:25,139 --> 00:14:23,079 that's news at the para cast calm and 322 00:14:28,319 --> 00:14:25,149 don't forget to visit our famous para 323 00:14:30,930 --> 00:14:28,329 cast community forums at forum dot the 324 00:14:33,819 --> 00:14:30,940 para cast com 325 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:33,829 yes what happened to that is a magic 326 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:37,370 trick where Greg found himself inside 327 00:14:41,290 --> 00:14:39,889 the microphone that's true it's got like 328 00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:41,300 a trick where they had this Mirror 329 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:44,269 Mirror trick on the flash this week 330 00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:46,610 where the flash finds himself inside a 331 00:14:49,119 --> 00:14:47,240 mirror 332 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:49,129 well Greg found himself inside a 333 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:51,920 microphone you gotta do some effects I 334 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00:16:06,259 on your blog Chris and I wanted to talk 362 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:08,930 about this because we always worry about 363 00:16:16,299 --> 00:16:12,170 this in the UFO field and you call the 364 00:16:18,699 --> 00:16:16,309 article the danger of UFO fandom that 365 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:18,709 you wrote a few months ago and would you 366 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:22,240 tell me please why is there a danger 367 00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:26,240 well the problem in ufology today is 368 00:16:32,139 --> 00:16:29,480 that there's a series of rifts that have 369 00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:32,149 developed between the ones who want to 370 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:35,720 think in terms of case investigations 371 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:38,180 following up stories talking to 372 00:16:42,830 --> 00:16:39,889 witnesses trying to piece together 373 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:42,840 puzzles and what was really seen 374 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:44,550 then there are those who are really 375 00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:49,370 fanatical about the UFO phenomenon that 376 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:52,920 they read absolutely everything there is 377 00:17:00,200 --> 00:16:55,260 to read about UFOs which unfortunately 378 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:00,210 is 90% junk and they'll set to breathe 379 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:03,330 and live all of that type of things we 380 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:06,650 get people who think in terms only of 381 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:09,690 Atlantis and telepathic communication 382 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:12,150 with beings from other planes of 383 00:17:18,550 --> 00:17:14,970 dimensions and realities and so forth 384 00:17:21,380 --> 00:17:18,560 and they'll get really into things like 385 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:21,390 signaling aliens and trying to 386 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:23,610 communicate with aliens using their 387 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:25,950 basic devices flashlights and laser 388 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:31,080 pointers and so forth and one issue that 389 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:33,030 we had was a recent case where we had a 390 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,610 report from someone who had seen some 391 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:38,160 UFOs flying overhead and it doesn't live 392 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:40,230 that far from an airport and he was 393 00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:43,530 actually signaling the UFOs with a laser 394 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:46,260 pointer and the problem that with that 395 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:47,750 of course is is that in all likelihood 396 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:52,080 the UFO was an aircraft and so here's 397 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:54,660 somebody who was really deeply ingrained 398 00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:57,810 into the UFO milieu you know thinking 399 00:18:01,400 --> 00:17:59,700 that he's doing serious research and 400 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:01,410 doing something good trying to contact 401 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:02,700 the aliens for the betterment of 402 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:05,190 humankind but in fact was endangering 403 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:08,970 people through the the shining of laser 404 00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,260 pointers and I had to very gently talk 405 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:15,360 to him about the possibility that this 406 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:16,860 might be occurring and maybe he might 407 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:18,690 want to tone back on the the laser 408 00:18:23,030 --> 00:18:20,550 pointers maybe just use flashlights 409 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,040 instead and he thought that was probably 410 00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:25,200 an okay idea but the fact that some 411 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:26,520 people are doing this and this is just 412 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:29,670 one person that I'm aware of fairly 413 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:32,160 close to where I live I I've heard 414 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:37,500 stories about many many UFO excursions 415 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:39,690 where people are taken out into fields 416 00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:41,850 or campsites and they go overnight and 417 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:44,100 they shine their phlaser pointers to try 418 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:45,660 and communicate with the flying saucers 419 00:18:49,790 --> 00:18:47,610 that are flying overhead and you know 420 00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:49,800 it's become common practice to use these 421 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:51,900 devices among some in ufology and it's 422 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:54,780 it's actually very dangerous and and I'm 423 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:56,020 hoping that 424 00:18:59,550 --> 00:18:57,910 that practice will be frowned upon by 425 00:19:01,980 --> 00:18:59,560 some of the large organizations even 426 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,990 though I know some of them take people 427 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:04,000 out into the woods or on beaches and so 428 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:07,090 forth and shine their their pointers at 429 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,580 them so I'm hoping that there's gonna be 430 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:12,640 reduction in that well they're mine too 431 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:15,160 is that certain people charge you to do 432 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:17,290 that absolutely yeah 433 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:18,850 charge you to endanger the lives of 434 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:21,040 people in aircraft I was gonna say in 435 00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:22,960 the United States shining a laser light 436 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:26,580 at a aircraft is a prosecutable offense 437 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:30,100 absolutely yeah and of course I guess 438 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,020 the defense that one would have is no I 439 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:34,240 thought it was an alien spacecraft not 440 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:36,520 an airplane yeah that's a great defense 441 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:40,020 for the English line you're gonna get 442 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:43,870 imagine going into court and the judge 443 00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:48,580 says okay citizen what is it that you 444 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:49,960 think you were doing well I had this 445 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:52,540 laser pointer I was trying to attract et 446 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:54,610 I wanted to talk to those beings from 447 00:20:00,480 --> 00:19:57,340 Zeta Reticuli I had a case back in 448 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:00,490 nineteen one think he was in 1979 449 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:06,190 1980-81 somewhere in there where there 450 00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:09,480 were some debunkers who were fed up with 451 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:12,820 the whole UFO thing and thought they'd 452 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:16,390 have a little fun so they wanted to make 453 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:19,450 a hoax and what they did is they got 454 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:23,140 some large weather balloons or large 455 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:26,770 large balloons and they happened to work 456 00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:29,250 at a welding company and they filled the 457 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:32,260 balloons with the mixture of oxygen and 458 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:35,470 acetylene and then they attached some 459 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:38,230 railroad flares to the balloons and sent 460 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:40,360 them aloft thinking that they would give 461 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:45,370 rise to a number of UFO reports and they 462 00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:47,620 actually did I mean people saw this 463 00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:50,920 these lights drifting over the city and 464 00:20:56,670 --> 00:20:53,860 suddenly exploding with a loud boom and 465 00:20:59,550 --> 00:20:56,680 rattling windows and so forth and I'm 466 00:21:01,710 --> 00:20:59,560 sure was a lot of fun except that they 467 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:01,720 happen to fly there or lift their 468 00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:04,690 balloons right up into the flight path 469 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:07,540 of an airport where people were some 470 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:09,490 aircraft were coming in 471 00:21:14,970 --> 00:21:12,220 on approach to the to the airport itself 472 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:14,980 for landing and if one of those that got 473 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,010 sucked into a jet intake it wouldn't 474 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:20,080 have been quite as amusing I don't think 475 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,130 so that I understand that these two 476 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:25,600 individuals were caught and prosecuted 477 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,530 by police because there's another 478 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:31,600 example where people just don't think 479 00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:34,990 before they act in terms of UFOs and 480 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:37,150 also the stories that are covered in the 481 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,910 media when something like this happens 482 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,440 it basically gives everybody the 483 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:43,840 impression that people who go after UFOs 484 00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:47,230 are wacky people eccentric crazy wacky 485 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:50,550 people and that hardly helps the case 486 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:54,250 yeah and the I don't know the dominance 487 00:22:00,090 --> 00:21:56,170 of wacky people in ufology doesn't 488 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,100 really help the case does it because you 489 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:03,280 know a lot of people it's it's the you 490 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:05,590 know the squeaky wheel that gets the 491 00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:06,970 grease I suppose the ones that are 492 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:08,800 making the loudest noise are often the 493 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,280 ones that media are attracted to and the 494 00:22:15,050 --> 00:22:13,600 ones that are actually doing the serious 495 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:15,060 research tend to be in the background 496 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:17,680 just plugging away trying to get the 497 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:19,390 work done and trying to produce some 498 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:21,940 data and scientific papers so that there 499 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:24,340 is an open discourse and 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this is actually you're listening to the 612 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:22,929 podcast the gold standard of paranormal 613 00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,100 Ming is among us that's why he's 614 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:40,020 merciless and you I see how merciless he 615 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:42,800 is try to shut him down 616 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,180 but seriously speaking this is what gets 617 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:47,820 the attention and I'll tell you what 618 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:50,990 gets the attention in technology you put 619 00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:54,930 Apple incorporated or just Apple or Mac 620 00:28:01,580 --> 00:27:58,200 or iPhone in the headline it could be 621 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,590 totally innocuous it could be well Apple 622 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:03,480 is going out of business tomorrow and 623 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:05,910 the article could say well if Apple 624 00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:07,800 stopped selling iPhones and they all 625 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:10,560 burned up like Samsung's do then Apple 626 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,820 might go out of business you know that 627 00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:13,500 kind of thing anything that pushes Apple 628 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,590 it's guaranteed it's a lock that's gonna 629 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:19,020 get hits not only that but I would 630 00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:20,910 imagine certain presidential candidates 631 00:28:26,150 --> 00:28:22,620 names would automatically get attracted 632 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:26,160 so there's another way too well we're 633 00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:28,740 gonna try to avoid because voiding the 634 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:32,190 p-word here yeah a friend of mine is a 635 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:34,470 lawyer very dedicated listener to the 636 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,620 show and he said he hadn't listened 637 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:40,320 lately because Chris O'Brien had said 638 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,870 one time in reference to a certain 639 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,120 candidate that candidate should be in 640 00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,000 jail we know who he was talking about I 641 00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:50,400 want to hear that you know there's 642 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,680 enough wacky political talk out there 643 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:54,240 and I think there's an audience for what 644 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,680 we do because of the fact that we have 645 00:29:00,500 --> 00:28:58,080 an example of a radio station in 646 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:00,510 Michigan where the power cast is getting 647 00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,910 more listeners or as many listeners as 648 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:05,340 the top conservative talk show hosts 649 00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:07,410 nothing that bothers me is these guys 650 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:08,820 are getting twenty million dollars a 651 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:13,140 year I'm getting Butkus the checks in 652 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:14,730 the mail gene right we'll the checks pay 653 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:16,170 in the mail for six years I'm just 654 00:29:21,530 --> 00:29:18,330 waiting for it to arrive I realize 655 00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:21,540 they're using the lowest bidder that's 656 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:24,060 what happened and the lowest bidder is 657 00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:27,960 walking from the home office and you 658 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:31,500 know he wants to stop in Utah for a week 659 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,050 and then he goes to Spain he wants to 660 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,260 see some festival in Spain and he hangs 661 00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:38,640 out there for a couple of years they'll 662 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:39,870 get here with his check 663 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:42,110 we're just waiting we're just waiting 664 00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:44,600 but your point is well T and that there 665 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,059 is an audience for this and you can't 666 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:49,760 blame media for really focusing on the 667 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:52,040 stuff that's sensational the point is 668 00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,370 though that the subject alone has a lot 669 00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:57,200 of fascinating elements I mean we can 670 00:30:00,600 --> 00:29:58,820 just go with the cases that have 671 00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:00,610 actually been reported and investigated 672 00:30:04,510 --> 00:30:02,660 some of the theories which have been 673 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:04,520 proposed and then talk about the 674 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:08,630 incredible scientific discoveries you 675 00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:10,250 know everything from some of the Mars 676 00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:12,830 Landers to the discovery of new 677 00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:16,040 exoplanets every other day it seems and 678 00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,480 some of the programs that are going on 679 00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:20,240 with some space stations the Chinese 680 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:22,160 space station that's under development I 681 00:30:27,010 --> 00:30:25,040 mean there's all this advance take the 682 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:27,020 field of space exploration and space 683 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:29,210 science and the possibility that there's 684 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,830 life out there is being taken very 685 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:33,440 seriously I just got another yet another 686 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:35,809 book in the mail to review on the 687 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:36,770 subject of the search for 688 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:39,530 extraterrestrial life this is a subject 689 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:42,590 that is fascinating us because as humans 690 00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:46,130 we have this desire to know if we really 691 00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:49,070 are alone is this it is what we're 692 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,500 seeing around us all there is - in terms 693 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:53,600 of the universe or is there something 694 00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,030 more are there creatures like us 695 00:31:00,539 --> 00:30:58,640 or perhaps somewhat very much unlike us 696 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:00,549 out there somewhere that are 697 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:02,570 contemplating the same issues that we're 698 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:04,820 dealing with as well have they come 699 00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:08,090 across some way to solve hunger and war 700 00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:10,400 and all the problems that plague us here 701 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:13,160 so we're looking in some ways for help 702 00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:15,770 and salvation out there but we're doing 703 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:17,419 it in the way that really lends itself 704 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:20,360 to some open discussion and you know 705 00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:25,760 it's very ripe for a lot of discourse 706 00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:28,520 and podcasts and books and magazines and 707 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,140 so forth because this is what people are 708 00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:32,720 really fascinated with and it's a scape 709 00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:35,030 and a diversion from some of the stuff 710 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:36,350 that's going on in everybody's lives 711 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,230 today oh this is of course all very 712 00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:41,120 interesting but this creates the climate 713 00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:44,540 also for people who are hucksters yes 714 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:47,900 games yeah to prey upon the desires of 715 00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:49,700 other people and that's the other side 716 00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:51,020 of the coin that there are people who 717 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,480 are in it only for that that they're in 718 00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:55,440 that for their personal gain 719 00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:58,350 pray on the gullibility of people who do 720 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,570 have these desires well-meaning people 721 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:02,760 in some cases but they're just not 722 00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:04,950 approaching it in a way that is ethical 723 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:08,160 that they are really trying to lead 724 00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:11,340 people astray based on their own views 725 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:14,520 and it may not be in the best interest 726 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:16,260 of a lot of people who are very 727 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,530 susceptible to these types of beliefs 728 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:20,820 now I don't know if you see this on 729 00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:23,750 Facebook every so often someone presents 730 00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:28,020 an invitation to go to a site to hear 731 00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:30,180 the channeled messages from the star 732 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,380 beings and Zeta Reticuli now I have a 733 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:36,000 little fun with that person saying you 734 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,560 don't even know what Zeta Reticuli is 735 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:40,440 and the only thing they probably know is 736 00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:43,410 they read about it in connection with 737 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:46,830 the Betty and Barney Hill case not 738 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:50,310 indeed you know channelers are nothing 739 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:52,290 new to you follow G and we're starting 740 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:54,350 to ease into the direction of the 741 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:56,730 original topic I guess ghosts and 742 00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,650 hauntings and UFOs and what's their 743 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:01,500 relationship but chandler's you know 744 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:04,560 back in the 1920's 1930's people are 745 00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:07,050 channeling messages from their deceased 746 00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,540 aunt mary and and and people like that 747 00:33:14,030 --> 00:33:11,880 although there were some Chandler's of 748 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:14,040 alien beings back back then around the 749 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:16,410 turn of the previous century as well but 750 00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:18,930 channeling has really become much more 751 00:33:24,050 --> 00:33:21,420 popular recently it really never went 752 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:24,060 away during the 50s and 60s the 753 00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:25,830 contactees we're into that a little bit 754 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:29,280 and well into the 70s seem to fade for a 755 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:31,410 while and now we're looking we've come 756 00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:34,410 full circle again that it's not just 757 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,830 abduct these who believe that they were 758 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:40,080 taken aboard a craft and deposited back 759 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:41,970 with some vague memories and it could be 760 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:44,040 screen memories and it could be dreams 761 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:45,990 and so forth but now there's this 762 00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:49,620 assumption that the abductees themselves 763 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:52,400 are contactees that they have a mission 764 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:55,110 directed by the aliens and they're in 765 00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,090 telepathic contact or have been given 766 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,000 the ability to channel messages from 767 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,360 beings in other dimensions and parallel 768 00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:05,340 universes and things like that that make 769 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:07,230 no sense in physics but sound really 770 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:08,170 good because it's 771 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:09,550 buzzwords that people really want to 772 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:13,210 hear and so channeling is is really very 773 00:34:19,410 --> 00:34:16,660 very popular I I know that Bashar who 774 00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:19,420 was Paul Anka's brother or uncle or 775 00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:22,120 something like that he's very popular in 776 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,430 the lecture circuit right now giving you 777 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:27,520 know philosophical and personal life 778 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:29,860 advice to people who are seeking such 779 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:31,540 advice from other people and why not get 780 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:33,460 it from an alien after all aliens have 781 00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:35,080 it all together they're certainly not 782 00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:38,470 here so they had they figured it all out 783 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:40,150 why would they want to be around here I 784 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:42,610 used to know a guy named Andy Anka by 785 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:45,310 the way the Paul Anka's brother I don't 786 00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:47,800 even know if he's alive anymore but what 787 00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:50,620 that in any case I'm gonna ask you this 788 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:52,900 specifically though all this stuff 789 00:34:57,690 --> 00:34:54,700 that's coming supposedly from channeled 790 00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:57,700 sources is it all just made up stuff or 791 00:35:02,670 --> 00:34:59,650 is there any reality behind it not 792 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:02,680 necessarily the sauce a source but that 793 00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:04,930 something is going on well 794 00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:06,760 I've sat with Chandler's I've sat in 795 00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,460 seances with individuals channeling 796 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:12,640 information in terms of the contactees 797 00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:15,190 I've I've been with a few contactees who 798 00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:17,350 have said they received channeled 799 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:19,060 information and the problem is the 800 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:20,590 channeled information hasn't changed 801 00:35:26,010 --> 00:35:23,740 much over the past 60 or 70 years I mean 802 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:26,020 I can look at channel messages that have 803 00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:27,970 come through the Aetherius Society and 804 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,120 other groups from the 1950s and it's 805 00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:33,900 really identical you know basically 806 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:37,780 you're the earth is messed up we are at 807 00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:39,430 war too much we have to learn to love 808 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:42,460 one another stop fighting 809 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,710 be nice to everybody to take care of the 810 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:46,690 planet stop polluting it so on and so 811 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:49,690 forth that message is identical to 812 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:51,880 what's happened from the the early 813 00:35:57,540 --> 00:35:55,210 contactees from the 1950s and 60s so in 814 00:36:00,510 --> 00:35:57,550 that sense I would say there's nothing 815 00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:00,520 new Under the Sun and if the source for 816 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:03,640 the channel messages seems to be the 817 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:05,260 same then the messages seem to be the 818 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:07,390 same back then we know a lot of the 819 00:36:12,180 --> 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yes 947 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:51,950 it was good to see you there yeah I had 948 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:53,270 never met Chris and I didn't have enough 949 00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:55,190 time to talk to him so next time there's 950 00:41:59,530 --> 00:41:56,540 a yeah maybe I'll just have you on my 951 00:42:01,630 --> 00:41:59,540 show what the hell yeah the thing I was 952 00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:01,640 thinking about channelers and all that 953 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:05,120 one they see if you agree as no matter 954 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:08,270 what you do be a channeling three-card 955 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:12,290 Monte bad movies whatever you want if 956 00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,690 people come to it it doesn't matter how 957 00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:16,400 many times it's debunked or people say 958 00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:17,900 it's full of junk if people like it 959 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:20,060 they'll keep coming to it the other 960 00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:21,410 thing is I've heard some channeling too 961 00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:23,990 actually paid a guy old-time contactee 962 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:27,260 ones to channel for me and basically he 963 00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:29,390 mumbled a lot and fumbled around and 964 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:30,620 said a lot of things that were 965 00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:32,690 completely irrelevant and mostly pretty 966 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:35,420 boring I had an interview with a 967 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:37,190 researcher once he said you know that 968 00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:39,830 that it seems like they're getting this 969 00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:41,360 message from the center of the universe 970 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:43,340 somehow and it's it's putting people to 971 00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:49,130 sleep yeah I'm similar to that in my my 972 00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:50,780 beliefs in terms of channeling as well 973 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:53,840 and the reason that it's so persistent 974 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:55,850 despite the fact it's being debunked and 975 00:43:00,070 --> 00:42:57,050 shown to be irrelevant is the 976 00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:00,080 persistence of belief the strength of 977 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:04,070 belief is very very strong and no matter 978 00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:06,770 what subject you're talking about belief 979 00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:09,380 in one's ambition your political slant 980 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:12,220 your views on unreligious and so forth 981 00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:15,890 it's it's very very strong and you can 982 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:17,990 believe in a certain way and you can be 983 00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:20,210 a very very intelligent person and get 984 00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:22,280 led astray because of your particular 985 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:24,950 beliefs and it's very difficult to 986 00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:27,740 change one's beliefs if they are so 987 00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:32,470 ingrained in fact we did a study in 988 00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:35,240 undergraduate University I did a an 989 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:36,680 experiment 990 00:43:40,839 --> 00:43:38,329 the psychology department when my 991 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:40,849 advisor assisted me on this to produce 992 00:43:48,339 --> 00:43:43,609 an experiment to try and change people's 993 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:48,349 belief in UFOs and we never got it 994 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:51,049 published although we did submit it for 995 00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:52,970 publication and it never went through 996 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:55,700 the process but it may get published 997 00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:57,170 someday this goes back a few years 998 00:44:02,319 --> 00:43:59,180 because the the conclusions I think 999 00:44:04,029 --> 00:44:02,329 we're still sound what we did we had a 1000 00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,039 large group of people I think there was 1001 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:06,079 three or four or five hundred people and 1002 00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:09,760 we gave them a survey the survey had and 1003 00:44:16,539 --> 00:44:12,740 a lot of series of questions Loch Ness 1004 00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,549 and Bigfoot and conspiracies and so 1005 00:44:22,089 --> 00:44:19,760 forth so it was a a series of questions 1006 00:44:24,130 --> 00:44:22,099 and there was one question about UFOs 1007 00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:24,140 whether you believe strongly that UFOs 1008 00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:26,510 where alien spacecrafts and were real 1009 00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:29,180 and unwell and then you rated it from a 1010 00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,440 zero to ten or something right well what 1011 00:44:36,789 --> 00:44:34,880 we did is we looked only at that 1012 00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:36,799 question for all these people and we 1013 00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:39,049 broke them into groups of high believers 1014 00:44:46,359 --> 00:44:42,950 and high disbelievers in UFOs and then 1015 00:44:49,390 --> 00:44:46,369 we called them in to a room those 1016 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:49,400 particular individuals and showed them 1017 00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,690 two different videos and the video the 1018 00:44:58,359 --> 00:44:55,839 actual images were the same it showed a 1019 00:45:00,670 --> 00:44:58,369 light moving in the sky that was 1020 00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,680 actually an actual UFO video that had 1021 00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:03,200 been submitted for investigation but the 1022 00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:05,150 dialogue accompanying it was very 1023 00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,819 different in one an authoritarian voice 1024 00:45:13,329 --> 00:45:09,950 like a news announcer said that this is 1025 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:13,339 a UFO that was reported over Tallahassee 1026 00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:17,510 on you know February 1976 and it has 1027 00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,309 been shown to definitely be an aircraft 1028 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:22,160 and that witnesses were mistaken on the 1029 00:45:28,779 --> 00:45:25,490 other one it was also an authoritarian 1030 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:28,789 voice but it was saying this a UFO video 1031 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:30,890 was studied by astronomers and 1032 00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,130 scientists from Rand and an JPL and has 1033 00:45:38,589 --> 00:45:36,079 never never been able to be explained 1034 00:45:40,299 --> 00:45:38,599 and then what we did we tested the 1035 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:40,309 people before they saw the video and 1036 00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:42,650 after they saw the videos to see if 1037 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:45,710 people with strong belief that UFOs were 1038 00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,369 real see having a video that says that 1039 00:45:52,570 --> 00:45:50,480 this particular one 1040 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:52,580 wasn't real could be changing their mind 1041 00:45:56,859 --> 00:45:54,830 maybe the UFOs really aren't real after 1042 00:45:58,450 --> 00:45:56,869 all and then the vice versa 1043 00:46:00,370 --> 00:45:58,460 where people who are convinced that 1044 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:00,380 there is nothing that UFOs once they 1045 00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:02,890 heard this authoritarian video 1046 00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:04,520 proclaiming that it hasn't been 1047 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:06,470 explained maybe they could be nudged in 1048 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:08,570 the other direction and it turns out 1049 00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:11,390 that the experiment failed miserably and 1050 00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:13,420 this is why it ever never got published 1051 00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:16,550 nothing you can do can actually change a 1052 00:46:20,590 --> 00:46:18,950 person's beliefs if they are strongly 1053 00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:20,600 set if you're somewhere in the middle 1054 00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:23,060 you might have some chance of moving one 1055 00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:25,400 way or another slightly but if you are 1056 00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:27,140 down to determine that there's nothing 1057 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:30,950 to UFOs nothing I say to you that 1058 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,930 presents any kind of proof no matter how 1059 00:46:38,109 --> 00:46:35,410 strong it is will convince you and 1060 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:38,119 conversely if you believe that aliens 1061 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,180 are really flying spacecraft over the 1062 00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:43,760 United States there's no way I can 1063 00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,950 convince you that that's not the case no 1064 00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,960 matter what what I am way mark my 1065 00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,960 argument is so it's the strength of 1066 00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:53,240 belief that is very very powerful and 1067 00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,540 this drives a lot of ufology today do 1068 00:47:02,080 --> 00:46:58,700 you think it's worse now because if you 1069 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:02,090 have a belief you've got a tool whereby 1070 00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,130 you can shore up any belief that you 1071 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:07,520 might possibly have I think it might be 1072 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:08,450 getting a little bit worse because 1073 00:47:13,810 --> 00:47:11,090 people aren't presented with confounding 1074 00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:13,820 evidence very much yeah in fact I think 1075 00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:15,350 that's the big problem with the internet 1076 00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:17,900 right now is that you tend to really 1077 00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:21,020 accumulate information in your own peer 1078 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:22,760 groups you're really are preaching to 1079 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,250 the choir and why would you go elsewhere 1080 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:26,960 because you're getting the affirmation 1081 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:28,970 and the validation from within your own 1082 00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:31,730 group well I definitely know that that 1083 00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:35,359 the aliens are from Sirius B not serious 1084 00:47:39,849 --> 00:47:37,670 a and then you hang around the Sirius B 1085 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:39,859 people and in the Sirius a people get 1086 00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,050 infuriated and but there's no no debate 1087 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:43,760 there because you're only discussing it 1088 00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:44,830 within those groups 1089 00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,680 yeah there's no question that the I 1090 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,480 don't know the compartmentalization of 1091 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:52,880 society because of the internet I mean 1092 00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:54,290 it is ironic because the internet is 1093 00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:56,390 giving you such a great opportunity now 1094 00:48:02,349 --> 00:47:59,300 to have discussions to open discourse 1095 00:48:04,329 --> 00:48:02,359 and you can talk about things with many 1096 00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,339 people around the world so there 1097 00:48:09,069 --> 00:48:06,319 I mean really the universes is within 1098 00:48:10,989 --> 00:48:09,079 your grasp but you focus on exactly what 1099 00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:10,999 you want to hear and the information 1100 00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:12,769 that you're very selective about 1101 00:48:19,989 --> 00:48:16,369 acquiring so it actually is in some ways 1102 00:48:23,739 --> 00:48:19,999 negating the accessibility well makes it 1103 00:48:28,089 --> 00:48:23,749 easier to find stuff that you agree with 1104 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:28,099 your own echo chamber right exactly yeah 1105 00:48:34,809 --> 00:48:30,890 it's uh it's you know it's so much 1106 00:48:38,739 --> 00:48:34,819 easier but it's I know it's it seems 1107 00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:38,749 like to me that I'm not horribly old but 1108 00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,700 when I grew up I could it took a lot of 1109 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:43,119 work to find out to find things that 1110 00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:45,650 would shore up your argument rather than 1111 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,460 your just your belief so yeah like we 1112 00:48:53,979 --> 00:48:51,380 say it's it's it's much easier now to do 1113 00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,989 that and it's a lot harder for you to 1114 00:48:58,329 --> 00:48:56,960 for most people to find people that 1115 00:48:59,859 --> 00:48:58,339 disagree with them you're just not 1116 00:49:04,120 --> 00:48:59,869 inclined to do so it's just human nature 1117 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:04,130 I would tend to agree that we're really 1118 00:49:09,579 --> 00:49:07,190 I don't know sticking together in 1119 00:49:12,609 --> 00:49:09,589 smaller groups rather than really 1120 00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:12,619 becoming part of the the global village 1121 00:49:16,509 --> 00:49:14,390 I mean Marshall McLuhan I think would be 1122 00:49:19,749 --> 00:49:16,519 appalled to see what's really transpired 1123 00:49:21,759 --> 00:49:19,759 over the past so instead if it's a 1124 00:49:24,009 --> 00:49:21,769 village it's an echo chamber as I said 1125 00:49:26,259 --> 00:49:24,019 now also in the world of politics you 1126 00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:26,269 see that very much and I don't want to 1127 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:29,150 talk about a specific candidate but you 1128 00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:32,329 do see that even in all the polls of the 1129 00:49:40,059 --> 00:49:35,660 American election they all vary within a 1130 00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:40,069 small percentage a few points up or down 1131 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:43,430 because most people already have their 1132 00:49:49,209 --> 00:49:45,529 views set in stone 1133 00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:49,219 all they do is read watch material that 1134 00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:52,099 confirms what they believe or what they 1135 00:49:58,660 --> 00:49:54,680 believe about the opposition and there's 1136 00:50:01,479 --> 00:49:58,670 only a very very small area of 1137 00:50:03,489 --> 00:50:01,489 maneuverability to move an election 1138 00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,499 towards one candidate or another do you 1139 00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:06,319 see the same phenomenon in Canada oh 1140 00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:07,819 absolutely 1141 00:50:11,739 --> 00:50:10,390 there's very few people who are real 1142 00:50:14,289 --> 00:50:11,749 undecided 1143 00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:14,299 most people are one way or another in 1144 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:17,840 fact you see that this in families 1145 00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:19,910 you know my father was a conservative 1146 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:21,740 and he voted conservative at his 1147 00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,170 grandfather voted conservative and and 1148 00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:26,000 you know even voting conservative for 1149 00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:29,060 the past you know 17 generations or 1150 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:30,980 whatever it is you know liberals are 1151 00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:33,650 liberals or liberals you know and areas 1152 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:35,380 geographically certainly some 1153 00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:38,690 geographical regions will will be 1154 00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:42,140 Democratic versus other candidates and 1155 00:50:49,150 --> 00:50:45,020 it just happens to be the way that the 1156 00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:49,160 political leanings have been going for 1157 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:50,990 generations and you just get into that 1158 00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:54,290 groove of voting the same way and it 1159 00:51:00,100 --> 00:50:58,400 usually takes a real major shift of 1160 00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,110 something really major occurring to 1161 00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,520 shift you away from what you've been 1162 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:03,440 doing and it's not just politics I mean 1163 00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:08,930 we find that in in all types of societal 1164 00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:12,200 groups oh no if I'm if I'm a believer in 1165 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:17,420 oh let's say you know a particular 1166 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:19,670 religious group I'm not gonna suddenly 1167 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:22,250 shift to a different religious sect 1168 00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:24,290 because somebody told me to or tried to 1169 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:27,110 convince me let's do our break here and 1170 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:29,570 we'll continue with this and then I 1171 00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:31,130 guess it's also about people living in 1172 00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:33,830 their own personal realities Chris 1173 00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:35,990 O'Brien's on special assignment we have 1174 00:51:38,830 --> 00:51:38,030 Greg Bishop as guest co-host and chris 1175 00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:38,840 wachowsky 1176 00:51:57,390 --> 00:51:53,650 thank you for listening to GCN 1177 00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,400 be sure to visit GCN live.com today 1178 00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:59,900 attack of the raccoons has been 1179 00:52:03,609 --> 00:52:01,640 well-received by critics and readers 1180 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:03,619 alike it's a thrill a minute story 1181 00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:06,410 you'll never forget a former US 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--> 00:54:52,720 the social pressures are forcing unit of 1238 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:54,910 the direction yeah we certainly are 1239 00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:56,890 under pressure from a lot of directions 1240 00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,290 there's no question and we see this in 1241 00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:01,690 science too you know the you hold 1242 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,140 debunkers versus believers in ufology if 1243 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:06,640 we can steer this back to you followed 1244 00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:08,530 you briefly I wanted to show that it 1245 00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,790 applies to all of society absolutely I 1246 00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:15,599 mean it's very strong in ufology versus 1247 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:18,070 in debunkers versus believers the 1248 00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,490 bunkers you know hardcore debunkers will 1249 00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:24,160 search for every opportunity to to show 1250 00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:27,640 that certain cases and theories and 1251 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:29,980 individuals are really off track whereas 1252 00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:31,930 believers you know they're they're 1253 00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:34,270 really a very narrow in their beliefs 1254 00:55:39,450 --> 00:55:37,150 because it doesn't matter whether that 1255 00:55:41,099 --> 00:55:39,460 particular case was explained as Venus 1256 00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:41,109 the one that I had definitely wasn't 1257 00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,760 Venus and therefore the aliens really 1258 00:55:47,370 --> 00:55:45,040 are real you get that kind of attitude 1259 00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:47,380 all the time so it really does apply 1260 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:48,790 across the board from religion to 1261 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:51,690 politics to ufology to scientific views 1262 00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:55,570 to views on you know even which a 1263 00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:58,210 manufacturer of power tools are better 1264 00:56:02,070 --> 00:55:59,890 or cars 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00:56:30,510 versus an apple I mean it people are 1279 00:56:36,529 --> 00:56:33,240 convinced one way or another yeah it's 1280 00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,539 it I I've had apples since I started 1281 00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:38,160 publishing a zine way back in the early 1282 00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:40,470 90s that's because they were the only 1283 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:43,220 computers available that did graphics 1284 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:47,130 reliably and nicely so I've stuck with 1285 00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,170 that just because of that I mean it's 1286 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:51,059 just you know I realize that's a you 1287 00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,670 know it's my own track and cars I guess 1288 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:55,319 I've had Honda's for a long time because 1289 00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:57,930 the things run forever so I guess I'm 1290 00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,059 not gonna leave Honda's at any time soon 1291 00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:03,000 and in terms of computers you know 1292 00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:05,400 you've got the IBM Apple debate and then 1293 00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:07,470 you get this third party candidate Linux 1294 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:08,849 coming up and you say what the heck are 1295 00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:11,490 you talking about well you know what's 1296 00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,740 very interesting about IBM now do you 1297 00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:16,140 know what the most popular computer for 1298 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:23,190 IBM employees now is is because Apple 1299 00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:26,490 and IBM made a deal where they develop 1300 00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:28,980 custom mobile software for Apple's 1301 00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:32,000 products and then they decide to offer 1302 00:57:37,339 --> 00:57:34,440 IBM employees the choice you want a PC 1303 00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:37,349 or a Mac and they've got 90,000 Mac's 1304 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:39,990 right now at IBM which is I think the 1305 00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:42,420 largest corporate customer but they then 1306 00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,369 came out with an announcement and this 1307 00:57:49,059 --> 00:57:46,559 new Mac versus PC people who will scream 1308 00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:49,069 what this is the announcement it costs 1309 00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:52,109 over a four-year period the cost of 1310 00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:55,230 ownership of the Mac it's two hundred 1311 00:58:00,940 --> 00:57:57,510 fifty to five hundred fifty dollars less 1312 00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:00,950 and four 90,000 Mac's they have five 1313 00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,140 support people so maybe max costs more 1314 00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:06,720 when you buy them but a company is not 1315 00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:08,190 looking at just the purchase price 1316 00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:09,950 they're looking at the cost of ownership 1317 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:12,390 and that's where the Macs are just 1318 00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:14,609 always cheaper it's always something 1319 00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:17,190 yeah makes sense you know I've had I've 1320 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,180 had one Mac died on me in what 20 years 1321 00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:22,710 so that might be the other thing they 1322 00:58:28,819 --> 00:58:25,079 seem to be fairly reliable for the most 1323 00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:28,829 part never ever had one die on me I had 1324 00:58:35,269 --> 00:58:31,319 one Mac kept developing some minor 1325 00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,279 issues it was a PowerBook 5300 C from 1326 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:37,440 the mid 90s before Steve Jobs came back 1327 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:39,930 to the company and this little liquid 1328 00:58:43,850 --> 00:58:42,090 adhesive on the 1329 00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:43,860 screen bezel at the bottom would keep 1330 00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:46,740 leaking out I sent it to Apple they fix 1331 00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:48,990 it and then I get back in three months 1332 00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:51,600 later I send it back again you know 1333 00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:53,400 maybe it was some kind of ghost 1334 00:59:01,730 --> 00:59:00,180 phenomenon it's like the who was it they 1335 00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:01,740 used to walk into labs and things would 1336 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:05,220 start breaking not den Rico Fermi it was 1337 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:07,170 one of the other early quantum 1338 00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:08,970 physicists but they started people 1339 00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:10,560 started telling him not to come into the 1340 00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:11,670 lab because stuff would spontaneously 1341 00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:14,060 break when he got there 1342 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:18,600 you mean uri geller yeah he wasn't an 1343 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:20,010 early physicist but whatever 1344 00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:22,530 go ahead gene I'm sorry no that's okay 1345 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:24,360 it's perfectly okay but game back to the 1346 00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,690 UFO field you know part of the problem 1347 00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,180 in figuring out what's going on is that 1348 00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:31,680 when people enter the field they're told 1349 00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,110 these are spaceships that's a social 1350 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:36,960 meme flying saucers equals spaceships 1351 00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,290 people interested in UFOs our spaceship 1352 00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:43,440 believers and you can't move them away 1353 00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:48,030 from that it is it's very tough to to 1354 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:51,360 get over the UFO equals spaceship 1355 00:59:57,110 --> 00:59:55,410 equation very very difficult if you were 1356 01:00:02,780 --> 00:59:57,120 to get away from it what would you 1357 01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:02,790 hypothesize well you know that's that's 1358 01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:04,350 the tough question is there anything 1359 01:00:14,060 --> 01:00:06,990 else I mean we can certainly talk in 1360 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:14,070 terms of and I was on a a an actual AM 1361 01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:17,250 radio station this this morning in 1362 01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:20,220 studio and they asked me about other 1363 01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,710 dimensions and parallel universes and so 1364 01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:24,900 forth and the question is could the 1365 01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,240 aliens instead of being from Mars or 1366 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:30,480 Venus or whatever be from a parallel 1367 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:33,570 universe or an alternate dimension the 1368 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,530 trouble is that I mean like when my 1369 01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:39,900 university degree was in math or one of 1370 01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:41,310 my degrees was in math as well as 1371 01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:45,510 education and you we can talk in terms 1372 01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:47,550 of quantum physics and we can talk in 1373 01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,580 terms of higher dimensions and alternate 1374 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:52,500 dimensions and so forth 1375 01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:54,090 but we really have no idea what that 1376 01:01:00,020 --> 01:00:57,750 means I mean the assumption is that you 1377 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:00,030 know let's say there's a you know aliens 1378 01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:03,290 that exist in the seventh dimension and 1379 01:01:08,660 --> 01:01:06,990 they manifest themselves as the balls of 1380 01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:08,670 light bobbing along a countryside you 1381 01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:10,230 know are very very limited 1382 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:13,080 one two three four dimensions that's 1383 01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:16,650 nice to say except something existing in 1384 01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:18,750 a seventh dimension will also exist in 1385 01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:20,670 the six five four three two one 1386 01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:22,950 dimensions and we don't see a lot of 1387 01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:25,230 evidence of some of that other stuff 1388 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:29,790 that's going on and existing in multiple 1389 01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:32,010 dimensions simply is a mathematical 1390 01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:34,080 concept we really have no way of 1391 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:35,790 translating that into the physical 1392 01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:38,610 senses we can say perhaps it's spiritual 1393 01:01:44,810 --> 01:01:41,700 but even the concept of of ghosts and 1394 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:44,820 and numinous entities things like that 1395 01:01:50,090 --> 01:01:47,610 we have no scientific way to describe 1396 01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:50,100 those so to say that some things from a 1397 01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:51,950 higher dimension makes no sense 1398 01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:54,960 scientifically or mathematically it just 1399 01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:57,150 doesn't work and it doesn't help us you 1400 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:00,660 might as well say that the beings pop in 1401 01:02:07,310 --> 01:02:05,490 and out through waving a magic wand 1402 01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:07,320 because there's no really no difference 1403 01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,990 between that in terms of scientific 1404 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:11,280 discussion in terms of parallel 1405 01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:14,130 universes well you know there's there 1406 01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,620 are some very advanced theories of 1407 01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:18,900 cosmology with posit the you know 1408 01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:21,720 alternate universes or universes beyond 1409 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,940 our own that that don't intersect and 1410 01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,160 the problem is they don't intersect and 1411 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:28,500 travelling between universes that don't 1412 01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:30,210 intersect causes a little bit of a 1413 01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:33,390 problem so again we don't have the 1414 01:02:39,830 --> 01:02:36,780 physics or the mathematics that would 1415 01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:39,840 describe such things so sort of throwing 1416 01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,200 them around as possibilities doesn't 1417 01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,780 even amount to a theory it's just saying 1418 01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:47,520 throwing up your hands and shrugging and 1419 01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:49,350 you're saying you don't know so I would 1420 01:02:54,790 --> 01:02:51,990 rather say I simply don't know rather 1421 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:54,800 than invoking some sort of you know 1422 01:02:58,340 --> 01:02:56,910 universal consciousness or something 1423 01:03:02,180 --> 01:02:58,350 like that that some people are talking 1424 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:02,190 about so if it's not aliens and you know 1425 01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:03,810 one theory is that there really aren't I 1426 01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:05,070 guess that's a possibility 1427 01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:06,420 but if there 1428 01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,819 there really are aliens how do they get 1429 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:11,460 here from from there wherever they are 1430 01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,450 that's an interesting discussion but is 1431 01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:17,700 it possible that UFOs are a natural 1432 01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:18,420 phenomenon 1433 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:21,030 you know Persinger made a Michael 1434 01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,250 Persinger made a lot of papers a lot of 1435 01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:25,920 studies on the possibility that UFOs 1436 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:28,680 represent some sort of tectonic energy 1437 01:03:32,539 --> 01:03:30,569 that there's like traumatic magnetic 1438 01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:32,549 energy from inside the earth that is 1439 01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,140 being released and very subtle and 1440 01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:36,900 discrete amounts that either manifest as 1441 01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:39,540 balls of light or make people think 1442 01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:41,220 because of the energy is affecting their 1443 01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,079 minds makes them think that 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01:08:40,850 price of free radio yeah forgot to say 1541 01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:44,060 that that the ninety th Nani T ideas 1542 01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:46,310 about UFOs was a question that was sent 1543 01:08:51,789 --> 01:08:49,699 to us from current Collins wouldn't you 1544 01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,799 know it thanks yeah yeah you just wanted 1545 01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:54,319 to put you on the spot well if you want 1546 01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:55,310 to talk a little bit more about 1547 01:08:59,079 --> 01:08:57,230 Persinger in the tectonic strain theory 1548 01:09:00,669 --> 01:08:59,089 and things like that those are viable 1549 01:09:04,059 --> 01:09:00,679 explanations I mean you can actually 1550 01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:04,069 study the possibility of that by doing 1551 01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:06,739 some scientific testing I actually have 1552 01:09:10,269 --> 01:09:09,230 studied the tectonic strain and some of 1553 01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:10,279 the tale I've actually published 1554 01:09:14,499 --> 01:09:12,020 scientific papers and peer reviewed 1555 01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,509 journals I've did a long actually out 1556 01:09:20,289 --> 01:09:16,400 one of my undergraduate theses was about 1557 01:09:23,289 --> 01:09:20,299 it and so I I don't think it's a viable 1558 01:09:25,329 --> 01:09:23,299 explanation for for UFOs but it's an 1559 01:09:27,849 --> 01:09:25,339 interesting theory and it may have some 1560 01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:27,859 applications elsewhere you know 1561 01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:29,750 earthquake lights and so forth may have 1562 01:09:33,999 --> 01:09:32,390 some relation to this so there there are 1563 01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:34,009 some things like that there's been some 1564 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:36,279 discussion about whether UFOs represent 1565 01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:38,690 some form of energy in the atmosphere 1566 01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:41,000 atmospheric energy like sprites you know 1567 01:09:44,170 --> 01:09:43,159 there's these these giant flashes of 1568 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:44,180 light that 1569 01:09:47,830 --> 01:09:46,010 lightning that shoot up from the 1570 01:09:49,330 --> 01:09:47,840 atmosphere very very powerful that 1571 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:49,340 certainly wouldn't explain some small 1572 01:09:53,470 --> 01:09:51,770 balls of light that people see at close 1573 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:53,480 range and so forth then there's 1574 01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:55,010 explanations relating to more 1575 01:10:01,930 --> 01:09:57,710 terrestrial vehicles are they in fact 1576 01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:01,940 some sort of American Russian Italian I 1577 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:03,950 don't know whatever country's secret 1578 01:10:08,740 --> 01:10:06,890 weapons that there are being tested and 1579 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:08,750 I guess the arguments against that is 1580 01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:10,130 you know would you test your secret 1581 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:11,780 weapons in plain sight like that or 1582 01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:15,050 would you fly them only at area 51 and 1583 01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:16,700 because they oven obviously haven't been 1584 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:19,880 quite perfected yet but I mean that's a 1585 01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:21,290 possibility that there's something else 1586 01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:24,350 going on that we don't know in fact 1587 01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,750 there's a plane spotters than the 1588 01:10:31,150 --> 01:10:29,600 equivalent of train spotters who spent 1589 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:31,160 all their time examining the skies 1590 01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:34,370 watching aircraft flying overhead from 1591 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:36,980 various large centers and and military 1592 01:10:42,370 --> 01:10:40,490 bases and that's how we found out about 1593 01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:42,380 things called the pumpkinseed 1594 01:10:47,170 --> 01:10:45,470 aircraft these are a very advanced 1595 01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:47,180 aircraft that they believe have been 1596 01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:50,870 launched from from area 51 and other 1597 01:10:56,980 --> 01:10:53,870 test grounds that are very very advanced 1598 01:10:58,330 --> 01:10:56,990 are being used in supersonic flight to 1599 01:11:01,530 --> 01:10:58,340 Duggal for flights for military 1600 01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:01,540 operations you know over flights for 1601 01:11:06,250 --> 01:11:04,070 reconnaissance and so forth so it's 1602 01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:06,260 through these types of things of actual 1603 01:11:10,510 --> 01:11:08,270 plane spotters which I guess are the 1604 01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,520 conventional version of UFO spotters 1605 01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:13,040 that we understand that there are some 1606 01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:15,080 in fact top-secret aircraft that are 1607 01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:16,310 under development that have certain 1608 01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:18,710 characteristics so it's very possible 1609 01:11:23,170 --> 01:11:20,360 that there's something under development 1610 01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:23,180 but we haven't seen anything that seems 1611 01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:25,460 to to be in line with that one of the 1612 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:29,270 explanations for the Falcon Lake UFO 1613 01:11:35,140 --> 01:11:32,690 from 1967 and the we've talked about 1614 01:11:38,260 --> 01:11:35,150 this on the show before was this saucer 1615 01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:38,270 shaped craft that was seen by an amateur 1616 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:40,700 prospector named Stefan mahalik was 1617 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:43,250 burned by it when it took off one of the 1618 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:46,310 explanations that was proposed by a 1619 01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:48,890 Canadian researcher named Paul Mira 1620 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,110 Campania who looked through military 1621 01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:52,880 documents and found some evidence that 1622 01:11:59,170 --> 01:11:56,480 it was related to the avrocar and 1623 01:12:01,780 --> 01:11:59,180 all that sort of stuff that maybe it was 1624 01:12:04,810 --> 01:12:01,790 some sort of US military craft that was 1625 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:04,820 developed about the same time and what 1626 01:12:08,979 --> 01:12:06,489 we're seeing is actually a military 1627 01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:08,989 vertical takeoff and landing vehicle the 1628 01:12:14,350 --> 01:12:12,440 problem is there was no predecessor to 1629 01:12:16,270 --> 01:12:14,360 that object that was ever seen and 1630 01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,280 nothing came of it I mean the darn thing 1631 01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:18,800 took off and and landed and you'd think 1632 01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:20,120 that it would be still around we'd see 1633 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:21,980 some evidence of the exact same craft 1634 01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:24,650 being reported and yet we don't have the 1635 01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:26,630 exact description reported in other 1636 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:29,900 cases so it's unlikely that it is 1637 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:31,970 related to a military craft in that way 1638 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:34,130 so there's a series of different types 1639 01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:38,090 of explanations that we can pause it but 1640 01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:41,480 the reality is that you know the et is 1641 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:43,400 the one that attracts the most attention 1642 01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:46,010 and may have the most going for it in 1643 01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:50,239 terms of testable hypotheses so now even 1644 01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:51,350 though we try to avoid the 1645 01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,390 extra-terrestrial hypothesis it still 1646 01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:56,000 comes back to bite us in the ass from 1647 01:13:02,260 --> 01:12:59,210 time to time how would you test for it 1648 01:13:04,930 --> 01:13:02,270 what it is is it your favorite 1649 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:04,940 explanation at the moment actually of 1650 01:13:10,930 --> 01:13:06,770 all the explanations I don't have one 1651 01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,940 you know my my I get around it by saying 1652 01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:12,080 you know I'm still sitting on the fence 1653 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:13,940 and those points are really digging in 1654 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:16,790 pretty badly right now but the same way 1655 01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:21,770 yes exactly you know I I a lot of people 1656 01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,270 get into ufology because they want to 1657 01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:25,520 validate themselves they want to prove 1658 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:29,750 that that the aliens are really here 1659 01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:31,850 they want to find the evidence a lot of 1660 01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:34,160 field investigators for MUFON wanna you 1661 01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:35,600 know crack the case they want to find 1662 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:37,340 the case that will prove once and for 1663 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:38,810 all of the aliens are here 1664 01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:40,970 that was never my intent I was always 1665 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:44,030 interested in UFOs as either a 1666 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:46,570 psychological or sociological phenomenon 1667 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:49,130 again I've made this case before that if 1668 01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:51,250 UFOs aren't physical that there at least 1669 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:53,960 psychological and sociological in and in 1670 01:13:57,940 --> 01:13:55,850 any of those cases they're deserving the 1671 01:14:00,190 --> 01:13:57,950 scientific study and that's what I want 1672 01:14:03,790 --> 01:14:00,200 to talk to the scientific community 1673 01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:03,800 about and some people are really adamant 1674 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:05,420 that they're you know it's just a matter 1675 01:14:09,490 --> 01:14:07,610 of time before we get that case before 1676 01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:09,500 disclosure really happens and we can 1677 01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:11,140 prove once and for all that we're right 1678 01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:14,030 hahahaha nanny nanny booboo that the 1679 01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:17,630 aliens really are here but there are a 1680 01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:19,790 number of people like myself who aren't 1681 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:21,260 from that bag we're studying the 1682 01:14:27,220 --> 01:14:24,530 phenomenon as a phenomenon gathering 1683 01:14:29,650 --> 01:14:27,230 data talking to people openly talking 1684 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:29,660 about it's sharing information trying to 1685 01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:31,490 understand all the different facets of 1686 01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,710 the phenomenon I mean as much as I think 1687 01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:36,320 that the contactee and channeling thing 1688 01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:40,100 is really going off track it's a part of 1689 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:42,230 the phenomena that we can't ignore and 1690 01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:44,690 for that we should be studying it in 1691 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:47,870 more detail maybe we should be testing 1692 01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:49,970 channelers I know that they refuse to be 1693 01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,070 tested but by golly you know try to say 1694 01:14:57,190 --> 01:14:54,320 to some of them okay I know you want us 1695 01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:57,200 to clean up our act on earth and stop 1696 01:15:00,940 --> 01:14:59,420 Wars and all this sort of thing but you 1697 01:15:02,410 --> 01:15:00,950 know do you have that cure for cancer 1698 01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,420 anywhere really just sort of kicking 1699 01:15:05,860 --> 01:15:04,640 around on Venus there there must be 1700 01:15:08,230 --> 01:15:05,870 something that you can give us 1701 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:08,240 there are ways of I think approaching 1702 01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:09,670 this in a very scientific manner 1703 01:15:15,610 --> 01:15:13,430 challenging the the status quo and I 1704 01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:15,620 think that's something that I'd like to 1705 01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:18,140 see in ufology a channeling of the 1706 01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:18,860 status quo 1707 01:15:26,050 --> 01:15:22,520 why can't you know some of the hardcore 1708 01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:26,060 ufologist work in conjunction with some 1709 01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,760 of the hardcore debunkers in fact I turn 1710 01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:30,800 to Tim Printy when I was doing so my 1711 01:15:36,130 --> 01:15:33,920 research and data analysis for the 1712 01:15:38,050 --> 01:15:36,140 Canadian UFO survey and I said do you 1713 01:15:41,530 --> 01:15:38,060 have any you know idea what this 1714 01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:41,540 particular case might be can you can you 1715 01:15:46,690 --> 01:15:43,190 offer some suggestions you want to give 1716 01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,700 us a hand I think that's a valid way of 1717 01:15:52,450 --> 01:15:49,760 approaching a subject because if you 1718 01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:52,460 follow G isn't gonna be its own harshest 1719 01:15:57,070 --> 01:15:54,860 critic then by golly go to the critic 1720 01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:57,080 and try and come up with some mutual 1721 01:16:03,760 --> 01:15:58,880 understanding there might be something 1722 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:03,770 there definitely one thing I wanted to 1723 01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:05,330 ask you about because it kind of follows 1724 01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:06,710 a discussion we've had in recent 1725 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:10,940 episodes about what I would call and it 1726 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:12,650 has nothing to do with the TV show by 1727 01:16:17,230 --> 01:16:15,890 that name the one step beyond phenomenon 1728 01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:17,240 and we can pick up on this in the next 1729 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:21,860 segment that UFOs over the centuries or 1730 01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,650 at least since eight 1731 01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:25,199 ninety-seven appeared to demonstrate 1732 01:16:31,490 --> 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and use the code George if you 1829 01:21:09,319 --> 01:21:06,770 today this is Marie G Jones the author 1830 01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:09,329 of this book is from the future 1831 01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:12,420 and you are listening to the podcast the 1832 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:23,709 [Music] 1833 01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:27,379 wanted you to do that guess whose turn 1834 01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:31,320 it is and just do it or use psychic 1835 01:21:38,179 --> 01:21:34,409 powers I got it I got props for the next 1836 01:21:40,489 --> 01:21:38,189 one so okay no no it's not the ocarina 1837 01:21:43,759 --> 01:21:40,499 okay so seriously speaking over all 1838 01:21:46,969 --> 01:21:43,769 seriousness Society some people say do 1839 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:46,979 you notice that - this thing with that 1840 01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:50,010 oppose appear you know I've chased be 1841 01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:52,739 just a step ahead of us yeah you know 1842 01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:56,159 that's been talked about before that you 1843 01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:00,300 know we see mystery Rockets manifesting 1844 01:22:04,879 --> 01:22:03,780 in the 1940s or so that that are just a 1845 01:22:07,009 --> 01:22:04,889 little bit ahead of their time and 1846 01:22:10,339 --> 01:22:07,019 mystery aeroplanes were just a little 1847 01:22:14,029 --> 01:22:10,349 bit of ahead of their time in the 1800s 1848 01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:14,039 when people were seeing the the you know 1849 01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:16,409 the mystery balloons and dirigibles and 1850 01:22:21,379 --> 01:22:19,650 airships and so forth the technology 1851 01:22:23,989 --> 01:22:21,389 that was being thought of was a little 1852 01:22:26,299 --> 01:22:23,999 bit ahead of the time in fact I remember 1853 01:22:28,429 --> 01:22:26,309 when the airships were being discussed 1854 01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:28,439 by a number of newspapers and in my 1855 01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,880 research that was going through the 1856 01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:32,639 airship history a lot of people were 1857 01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:35,070 talking about the amazing abilities of 1858 01:22:41,209 --> 01:22:36,900 some of the airship inventors in the 1859 01:22:43,219 --> 01:22:41,219 airship pilots and the abilities were 1860 01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:43,229 really ahead of the technology of that 1861 01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:45,719 day but it was being speculated upon and 1862 01:22:51,589 --> 01:22:48,300 I think it's more related to the fact 1863 01:22:55,069 --> 01:22:51,599 that even now we're talking about Star 1864 01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:55,079 Trek and Star Wars and flights between 1865 01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,639 the stars and we don't have that 1866 01:23:02,600 --> 01:22:59,760 technology but we're positing that some 1867 01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:02,610 of the UFOs and flying saucers that are 1868 01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:04,289 being observed now might have that 1869 01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:09,300 technology whereas in the 1940s and 50s 1870 01:23:12,170 --> 01:23:10,860 they were being talked about like 1871 01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:12,180 nuclear engine 1872 01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:13,620 and things like that which the 1873 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:15,420 technology didn't quite exist back then 1874 01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:17,850 but it was being talked about so I think 1875 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:21,030 believe it or not science fiction and 1876 01:23:25,220 --> 01:23:23,370 literature plays a very big role it's 1877 01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:25,230 interesting we've come around from being 1878 01:23:30,740 --> 01:23:28,980 the none of the Magnificent emperor that 1879 01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:30,750 science fiction has played a big role in 1880 01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:34,140 the development of science and certainly 1881 01:23:39,260 --> 01:23:36,390 within ufology itself that there is a 1882 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:39,270 relationship and perhaps one is needed 1883 01:23:43,670 --> 01:23:42,570 or or tags along with the other and you 1884 01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:43,680 know we're living in the Steven 1885 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:46,440 Spielberg universe right now in the 1886 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:49,290 sense that we can now envision we turn 1887 01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:51,450 on our televisions we turn we go to a 1888 01:23:57,380 --> 01:23:55,080 movie and and we can see aliens on the 1889 01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,390 big screen we can see spaceships flying 1890 01:24:02,090 --> 01:24:00,000 between the stars we can see what types 1891 01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,100 of interactions might imply when the 1892 01:24:06,650 --> 01:24:04,080 arrival opens in theaters in just a 1893 01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:06,660 matter of days now it really puts a 1894 01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:08,910 perspective on who we are and what is it 1895 01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:10,470 what does it what would it really mean 1896 01:24:15,140 --> 01:24:13,020 to communicate with an alien race that's 1897 01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:15,150 really truly alien and would we even 1898 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:16,910 they have any kind of dialogue 1899 01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:19,050 whatsoever and what are the implications 1900 01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:22,440 for the human race it allows us to 1901 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:26,070 speculate and at the same time you know 1902 01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:28,770 the the that were able to envision this 1903 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:31,200 because of such things and it allows 1904 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:33,570 some scientists to see you know the ones 1905 01:24:38,180 --> 01:24:35,370 who are graduate students today or maybe 1906 01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:38,190 high school students today in ten years 1907 01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,500 it'll allow them the opportunity to 1908 01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,320 think in terms of what's possible not 1909 01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:45,780 what is impossible you know it's 1910 01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:47,400 impossible to fly between the stars 1911 01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:50,640 you'll have a somebody 10 or 20 years 1912 01:24:53,900 --> 01:24:52,350 from now saying you know what I think 1913 01:24:55,670 --> 01:24:53,910 it's possible to try to travel between 1914 01:24:58,250 --> 01:24:55,680 the stars and this is how I think we can 1915 01:25:01,340 --> 01:24:58,260 do it so once you have that shift in the 1916 01:25:03,980 --> 01:25:01,350 relationship between fiction and fact I 1917 01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:03,990 think there's a lot of opportunity for 1918 01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:06,450 good dialogue and I that's one thing 1919 01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:08,670 that really excites me about what's 1920 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:11,430 coming up in the future so can we expect 1921 01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:16,530 warp drive well whether it's actual warp 1922 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:18,450 drive traveling faster than the speed of 1923 01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:19,890 light which is by definition impossible 1924 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:23,340 or cheating the speed of light through 1925 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:26,130 wormholes or or something like that 1926 01:25:31,940 --> 01:25:28,650 I think it will be eventually possible 1927 01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:31,950 to travel great distances in the 1928 01:25:35,020 --> 01:25:33,750 universe I don't know how it could be 1929 01:25:38,030 --> 01:25:35,030 done right now there's nothing 1930 01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:38,040 absolutely nothing in our physics that 1931 01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,950 shows that it can be done right now but 1932 01:25:45,170 --> 01:25:43,440 maybe it's simply looking at the 1933 01:25:48,140 --> 01:25:45,180 equations in a different way perhaps 1934 01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:48,150 finding a material that hasn't been 1935 01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:51,090 tried before Stan Freedman talks about 1936 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:53,100 you know the possibility of mixing I 1937 01:25:58,940 --> 01:25:56,370 don't know vanadium with copper with a 1938 01:26:00,710 --> 01:25:58,950 little bit of lanthanide mixed in and 1939 01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:00,720 nobody's ever tried that before but what 1940 01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,580 happens when you do what does the what 1941 01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:04,800 kind of material do you produce by doing 1942 01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,950 that so you know maybe there's something 1943 01:26:12,530 --> 01:26:09,630 that's just around the corner that will 1944 01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:12,540 allow us to to speculate in ways that we 1945 01:26:17,690 --> 01:26:15,000 haven't even thought of right now I got 1946 01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:17,700 a question Chris you've just been 1947 01:26:23,180 --> 01:26:20,240 describing you know a little bit ago 1948 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:23,190 that all the technology that people see 1949 01:26:27,650 --> 01:26:25,530 with regards to UFO reports seem to be 1950 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:27,660 just ahead of the technology of the time 1951 01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:31,050 or at least comprehendible in in the in 1952 01:26:36,940 --> 01:26:33,480 the time that they're seen what do you 1953 01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,950 think of the idea that the witness is 1954 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:39,360 extrapolating based on something they 1955 01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:41,370 saw and that's the only thing they can 1956 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:45,030 think of yes yeah I think that's 1957 01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:50,490 certainly because the UFO experience is 1958 01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:54,240 witness based the witness factor is very 1959 01:26:59,120 --> 01:26:56,730 strong it can be very possible that 1960 01:27:03,890 --> 01:26:59,130 there are two witnesses side by side and 1961 01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:03,900 one sees a spaceship and one sees you 1962 01:27:09,170 --> 01:27:06,510 know just an odd aircraft as the 1963 01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:09,180 simplest example so I mean that's 1964 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:11,310 certainly possible and if the witness's 1965 01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:13,530 own a predisposition is that they're 1966 01:27:18,980 --> 01:27:16,170 aliens they'll see aliens if the witness 1967 01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:18,990 predisposition is that they're very 1968 01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,640 religious and they're looking for a sign 1969 01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:22,560 from God that's what they're gonna see 1970 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:24,900 so there's a lot of factors at play in 1971 01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:26,610 fact that's another interesting Avenue 1972 01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:29,460 for research to talk about the 1973 01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,600 religiosity of ufology how does that 1974 01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:35,520 play into one's belief systems and 1975 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:38,280 desires as well so I think there's a lot 1976 01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:40,170 of material for discussion and 1977 01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:47,590 right thank you it's most important here 1978 01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:49,630 is when we talk about UFOs and 1979 01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:54,190 contacting extraterrestrials how does 1980 01:28:00,510 --> 01:27:57,880 that endanger religions here because if 1981 01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:00,520 they tell us they have a specific 1982 01:28:06,930 --> 01:28:04,180 religion which is totally alien to us do 1983 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:06,940 we treat them as infidels or do we now 1984 01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:08,890 adopt that religion because they are 1985 01:28:13,650 --> 01:28:12,100 more advanced there see there's another 1986 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:13,660 we could do a whole show on that one 1987 01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:17,650 there's a movie in the works based on a 1988 01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:21,670 novel titled the sparrow I'm trying to 1989 01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:24,400 remember the author it's a woman with 1990 01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:27,360 three names I can't remember right now 1991 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:29,800 people can google it as I'm talking and 1992 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:32,410 trying to Rack my brain but it was 1993 01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:34,090 actually in production and there they 1994 01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:36,520 ran into some difficulties I think Matt 1995 01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:39,400 Damon was even in the in the in the 1996 01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:40,840 works or named as one of the 1997 01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:45,640 protagonists so and the premise of the 1998 01:28:53,010 --> 01:28:48,040 sparrow is that an extraterrestrial 1999 01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:53,020 signal is received and a spaceship is 2000 01:29:00,140 --> 01:28:55,480 launched from Earth to go and 2001 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:00,150 investigate and the the ship lands and 2002 01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:03,370 there's some some seriously tragic 2003 01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:06,460 consequences and a great difference of 2004 01:29:11,730 --> 01:29:08,680 opinion between the aliens and and the 2005 01:29:15,630 --> 01:29:11,740 Earthlings the ship was actually sent 2006 01:29:20,370 --> 01:29:15,640 into space by Jesuits a Jesuit Order in 2007 01:29:22,110 --> 01:29:20,380 our history the Jesuit orders and the 2008 01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:22,120 Vatican were actually behind a lot of 2009 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:23,140 exploration 2010 01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:25,930 you know the Christopher Columbus was 2011 01:29:31,530 --> 01:29:28,600 commissioned that the Jesuits were sent 2012 01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:31,540 to quote/unquote explore North America 2013 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:34,990 but at the same time you know Jesuits 2014 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:36,610 were responsible for things like the 2015 01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:39,370 development of time zones I mean there's 2016 01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:41,710 a lot of science behind them so it's a 2017 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:44,380 it's actually a religious group that 2018 01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:46,900 actually sinned that are sent off into 2019 01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:51,190 space and you know sometimes with with 2020 01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:53,260 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that's Minuteman 2146 01:35:10,450 --> 01:35:07,660 hi it's Greg Cameron from presidential 2147 01:35:13,330 --> 01:35:10,460 UFO calm you're listening to the para 2148 01:35:21,370 --> 01:35:13,340 cast the gold standard of paranormal 2149 01:35:23,710 --> 01:35:21,380 radio I believe this is the para cast I 2150 01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:23,720 believe that we have a second radio show 2151 01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:26,239 called after the para cast I believe 2152 01:35:31,090 --> 01:35:28,790 that we also offer a commercial free 2153 01:35:33,790 --> 01:35:31,100 version of this show I believe if you go 2154 01:35:36,460 --> 01:35:33,800 to plus dot the para cast com 2155 01:35:38,710 --> 01:35:36,470 you'll learn what it's all about so 2156 01:35:43,180 --> 01:35:38,720 Reverend rudkowski is delivering a 2157 01:35:46,150 --> 01:35:43,190 sermon sir yes and I pointed out that 2158 01:35:49,150 --> 01:35:46,160 the Bible Christian Bible does actually 2159 01:35:51,460 --> 01:35:49,160 not exclude the possibility of aliens 2160 01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:51,470 out there somewhere we there are 2161 01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:53,290 passages in the Bible that describe 2162 01:35:59,380 --> 01:35:56,000 Jesus describing there there are many in 2163 01:36:01,780 --> 01:35:59,390 my home are many rooms and and so forth 2164 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:01,790 many mansions and there's nothing that 2165 01:36:08,170 --> 01:36:04,850 precludes aliens existing that that God 2166 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:08,180 could have created a plurality of 2167 01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:10,730 habited worlds out there in the universe 2168 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:13,910 somewhere I mean this would be terrible 2169 01:36:18,570 --> 01:36:16,010 to know you know for Galileo for example 2170 01:36:21,729 --> 01:36:18,580 to talk about he was burned for it or 2171 01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:21,739 criticized for it quite severely but 2172 01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:24,080 there's nothing that precludes aliens 2173 01:36:29,290 --> 01:36:27,920 out there and in fact I know there 2174 01:36:31,450 --> 01:36:29,300 people have speculated on the 2175 01:36:33,970 --> 01:36:31,460 possibility that if if aliens are out 2176 01:36:37,470 --> 01:36:33,980 there you know should we go out and try 2177 01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:37,480 and convert them mother Teresa herself 2178 01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:42,110 spoke along these lines there is a UFO 2179 01:36:47,650 --> 01:36:44,900 landing pad in the town of st. Paul 2180 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:47,660 Alberta in Canada it's actually been 2181 01:36:52,270 --> 01:36:50,330 featured in a number of TV shows you can 2182 01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,280 google it it's actually a tourist 2183 01:36:58,150 --> 01:36:54,880 attraction the Center for UFO studies 2184 01:37:00,460 --> 01:36:58,160 UFO museum traveling UFO museum 2185 01:37:02,260 --> 01:37:00,470 collection is now permanently installed 2186 01:37:04,930 --> 01:37:02,270 there it's actually built in the shape 2187 01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:04,940 of a flying saucer there it's Canada's 2188 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:07,130 version of Roswell where they have UFO 2189 01:37:13,810 --> 01:37:10,210 conferences in there mother Teresa 2190 01:37:15,970 --> 01:37:13,820 actually had a ceremony on 2191 01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:15,980 top of the UFO landing pad when she was 2192 01:37:21,730 --> 01:37:19,040 visiting the area quite a long time ago 2193 01:37:25,450 --> 01:37:21,740 I'm thinking in the 80s and she made the 2194 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:25,460 statement that if there were poor and 2195 01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,250 sick aliens out there in space it is the 2196 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:30,560 responsibility of us humans to go out 2197 01:37:36,220 --> 01:37:34,010 there and help them so I mean this has 2198 01:37:39,790 --> 01:37:36,230 been talked about by a number of 2199 01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,800 individuals and you know just because 2200 01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:41,840 aliens aren't mentioned in the Bible 2201 01:37:47,290 --> 01:37:44,270 isn't any reason to discount them in 2202 01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,300 fact cats domestic cats are never 2203 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:48,800 mentioned in the Bible and yet they were 2204 01:37:52,330 --> 01:37:50,810 certainly in existence back then and we 2205 01:37:54,730 --> 01:37:52,340 seem to accept them very well into 2206 01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:54,740 everyday life so the possibility that 2207 01:38:01,210 --> 01:37:58,130 aliens exist I think is scripturally 2208 01:38:04,660 --> 01:38:01,220 fine and you know I don't think it 2209 01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,670 should shatter too many religious issues 2210 01:38:07,690 --> 01:38:05,840 unless you're dealing with 2211 01:38:09,490 --> 01:38:07,700 fundamentalists who would reject any 2212 01:38:12,820 --> 01:38:09,500 concept whatsoever but I think the 2213 01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:12,830 average person would have no trouble at 2214 01:38:16,330 --> 01:38:14,540 all with accepting the possibility that 2215 01:38:18,730 --> 01:38:16,340 nailing the aliens exist from a 2216 01:38:20,830 --> 01:38:18,740 religious standpoint it would actually 2217 01:38:23,620 --> 01:38:20,840 encourage people to think in terms of a 2218 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:23,630 of a larger universe that you know that 2219 01:38:29,770 --> 01:38:26,690 some entity God created not only the 2220 01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:29,780 know the galaxy is far away from us but 2221 01:38:35,470 --> 01:38:32,960 creatures very much like ourselves on a 2222 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:35,480 planet not that far away 2223 01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:38,690 in fact it goes against fundamentalism 2224 01:38:47,290 --> 01:38:42,280 but many Christians accept evolution 2225 01:38:50,230 --> 01:38:47,300 quite well and assume that God created 2226 01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:50,240 us through evolution and intervened in 2227 01:38:55,570 --> 01:38:53,030 that sense but and if that's true then 2228 01:38:57,810 --> 01:38:55,580 why couldn't the same be done by God on 2229 01:39:01,290 --> 01:38:57,820 other planets the difference being that 2230 01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:01,300 as far as we know we are the only 2231 01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:04,280 creatures in this galaxy or universe who 2232 01:39:08,740 --> 01:39:07,190 have experienced salvation from Jesus 2233 01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:08,750 Christ because you know he hasn't 2234 01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:11,150 visited those other planets to our 2235 01:39:16,150 --> 01:39:13,370 knowledge so I think that from a 2236 01:39:18,460 --> 01:39:16,160 religious point of view I think that 2237 01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:18,470 although it would take some adjustment I 2238 01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:20,210 don't think it would really cause a 2239 01:39:25,930 --> 01:39:23,720 great upheaval in the way people have 2240 01:39:27,589 --> 01:39:25,940 been approaching their faith in fact it 2241 01:39:29,930 --> 01:39:27,599 might encourage people to 2242 01:39:32,060 --> 01:39:29,940 increase their faith because it would 2243 01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:32,070 challenge them in ways that so far they 2244 01:39:36,109 --> 01:39:34,440 haven't had a chance boy I really 2245 01:39:38,959 --> 01:39:36,119 knocked that one didn't I 2246 01:39:40,339 --> 01:39:38,969 you knock that out of the park I don't 2247 01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:40,349 know where to follow up with that one 2248 01:39:45,649 --> 01:39:43,230 because you know I'm not a great expert 2249 01:39:48,939 --> 01:39:45,659 on religion or how it relates to this 2250 01:39:52,970 --> 01:39:48,949 what I'm thinking here is more about 2251 01:39:57,339 --> 01:39:52,980 UFOs and returning to what we see how 2252 01:40:00,200 --> 01:39:57,349 much of what we see is manipulated by we 2253 01:40:03,919 --> 01:40:00,210 inferior humans because we can't 2254 01:40:06,140 --> 01:40:03,929 perceive the actual reality well I mean 2255 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:06,150 we certainly don't see all of the 2256 01:40:11,839 --> 01:40:10,170 spectrum given that what's really going 2257 01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,849 on I don't know and this is I suppose 2258 01:40:15,379 --> 01:40:13,679 we're gonna creep into the ghost 2259 01:40:16,819 --> 01:40:15,389 discussion which we did promised we were 2260 01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,829 gonna do that I did tell people we're 2261 01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:19,199 gonna talk about that you know so there 2262 01:40:25,459 --> 01:40:22,500 is a relationship probably where we we 2263 01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:25,469 can talk about UFOs that are seen only 2264 01:40:30,830 --> 01:40:28,409 by people who are sensitive to to be 2265 01:40:34,129 --> 01:40:30,840 seeing certain things that's a 2266 01:40:35,959 --> 01:40:34,139 possibility sometimes we can be looking 2267 01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:35,969 straight ahead and not see things that 2268 01:40:40,939 --> 01:40:39,150 are literally in in front of our face 2269 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:40,949 because we just don't have that 2270 01:40:46,879 --> 01:40:43,530 perceptual ability maybe things are in 2271 01:40:49,700 --> 01:40:46,889 the infrared the radio spectrum or so 2272 01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:49,710 forth that's certainly possible and in 2273 01:40:55,339 --> 01:40:53,190 terms of altering our reality we do form 2274 01:40:58,939 --> 01:40:55,349 our own reality every day and the way we 2275 01:41:01,459 --> 01:40:58,949 look at things that you know when we go 2276 01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:01,469 off and to to work and driving down the 2277 01:41:07,550 --> 01:41:05,070 freeway our reality is that particular 2278 01:41:09,649 --> 01:41:07,560 car that we're driving in or the bus or 2279 01:41:11,569 --> 01:41:09,659 the subway and so forth we don't really 2280 01:41:14,899 --> 01:41:11,579 have anything to do with the reality 2281 01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:14,909 that's that's ten blocks away so we are 2282 01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:16,380 certainly missing out on everything 2283 01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:18,360 that's going on around us we're very 2284 01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:22,139 focused on what's going on if UFOs are a 2285 01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,400 part of that one would think that 2286 01:41:27,589 --> 01:41:25,199 they're a part of a greater reality that 2287 01:41:30,379 --> 01:41:27,599 there's they're part of every aspect of 2288 01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:30,389 of our world why why couldn't the aliens 2289 01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:33,119 be manifesting if they really are here 2290 01:41:38,839 --> 01:41:36,630 in a variety of different ways and you 2291 01:41:42,139 --> 01:41:38,849 know subtly disguising their 2292 01:41:45,169 --> 01:41:42,149 there their presence here this starts 2293 01:41:47,389 --> 01:41:45,179 getting into Paul Hellyer and and others 2294 01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:47,399 talking about the tall lights disguising 2295 01:41:51,469 --> 01:41:49,050 themselves as nuns and walking around 2296 01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:51,479 Las Vegas I don't think we have to go 2297 01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:53,280 there to say that there are different 2298 01:41:57,889 --> 01:41:55,169 realities that we can experience and 2299 01:41:59,929 --> 01:41:57,899 that there are ways that an alien being 2300 01:42:02,869 --> 01:41:59,939 might choose to make its presence less 2301 01:42:04,279 --> 01:42:02,879 known if they so choose we don't know 2302 01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,289 the technology we don't know the 2303 01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:05,760 capability we don't even know the 2304 01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,320 physical appearance of aliens despite 2305 01:42:13,159 --> 01:42:09,840 you know people insisting that their 2306 01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:13,169 gray insectoid blue and so forth so I 2307 01:42:19,819 --> 01:42:15,659 think that ufology is what you make of 2308 01:42:23,509 --> 01:42:19,829 it but there are some hard truths that 2309 01:42:26,330 --> 01:42:23,519 you know 95% of the cases either have 2310 01:42:28,669 --> 01:42:26,340 explanations or you know don't have 2311 01:42:30,139 --> 01:42:28,679 enough information to to make one 2312 01:42:31,759 --> 01:42:30,149 judgement one way or another there's 2313 01:42:34,429 --> 01:42:31,769 only a small percentage that you can't 2314 01:42:36,649 --> 01:42:34,439 explain and those are the ones that we 2315 01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:36,659 need to study in some details so there 2316 01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:39,239 are some facts to look at but the rest 2317 01:42:44,389 --> 01:42:41,449 of it is really open to interpretation 2318 01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:44,399 so had we searched the reality behind 2319 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:47,129 all that well I think we we have to go 2320 01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:51,570 back to the basics you know if you're 2321 01:42:57,979 --> 01:42:54,119 talking about UFOs if the basis of your 2322 01:43:02,689 --> 01:42:57,989 apology is a UFO report the witnesses 2323 01:43:04,909 --> 01:43:02,699 what what that's he or she see what you 2324 01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:04,919 know what did it look like how long was 2325 01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,329 it there is there any way to find 2326 01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,340 additional witnesses and try to piece 2327 01:43:14,299 --> 01:43:10,800 together what was seen in the same way 2328 01:43:15,949 --> 01:43:14,309 that a detective does in fact UFO 2329 01:43:19,060 --> 01:43:15,959 investigators are really more like 2330 01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:19,070 crime-scene investigators where the CSI 2331 01:43:24,379 --> 01:43:23,129 of I know CSI UFO or something like that 2332 01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:24,389 or trying to understand what was seen 2333 01:43:28,909 --> 01:43:26,219 based on witness testimony event and 2334 01:43:29,449 --> 01:43:28,919 evidence left behind and then pieced 2335 01:43:32,779 --> 01:43:29,459 together 2336 01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:32,789 layer by layer what is being reported 2337 01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:36,409 from you know other jurisdictions from 2338 01:43:42,469 --> 01:43:39,449 people in other countries people with 2339 01:43:44,839 --> 01:43:42,479 different ethnic backgrounds people with 2340 01:43:46,969 --> 01:43:44,849 different viewpoints talk to the 2341 01:43:50,839 --> 01:43:46,979 scientists in a variety of fields talk 2342 01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:50,849 to the ethnologist talked to the 2343 01:43:54,020 --> 01:43:52,230 historians 2344 01:43:57,530 --> 01:43:54,030 I think it's a matter of piecing 2345 01:44:00,110 --> 01:43:57,540 together the reality of of what UFOs are 2346 01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:00,120 by understanding the facts that are 2347 01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,710 before us and I think that's the the 2348 01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:04,020 best way of approaching this rather than 2349 01:44:08,380 --> 01:44:05,940 going off and claiming we already know 2350 01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:08,390 that the aliens are here because we had 2351 01:44:14,510 --> 01:44:11,280 communication from the arcturians last 2352 01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,520 week those are the star beings from Zeta 2353 01:44:20,150 --> 01:44:17,280 Reticuli Arby's we need to correct that 2354 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:20,160 we can't on the power cast just get 2355 01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:22,410 these things wrong because we have these 2356 01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:24,930 star beings who are going to take us all 2357 01:44:29,710 --> 01:44:27,390 over or something we're sending us a 2358 01:44:31,850 --> 01:44:29,720 check they can send us a check 2359 01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,860 absolutely and you know who knows I mean 2360 01:44:35,780 --> 01:44:33,360 they could be if they have some paid 2361 01:44:38,420 --> 01:44:35,790 advertising you're all ears gene I know 2362 01:44:41,630 --> 01:44:38,430 you are oh yeah I'm really desperate to 2363 01:44:45,170 --> 01:44:41,640 sell paid advertising for the power cast 2364 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:45,180 and the tech night out live so if any 2365 01:44:48,979 --> 01:44:47,610 star beings have real hard currency 2366 01:44:51,020 --> 01:44:48,989 you're not Bitcoin I don't want to get 2367 01:44:53,090 --> 01:44:51,030 into all that digital stuff because I'll 2368 01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:53,100 just get ripped off I mean you got real 2369 01:44:58,610 --> 01:44:54,650 money you know what the heck 2370 01:45:00,050 --> 01:44:58,620 sure interstellar bankers I just got a 2371 01:45:03,020 --> 01:45:00,060 call while we were talking somebody 2372 01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:03,030 wanted to put solar energy in my home 2373 01:45:07,460 --> 01:45:04,739 and I said well I'm on the Do Not Call 2374 01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:07,470 list and they said well I just want to 2375 01:45:11,420 --> 01:45:09,000 tell you about this and I said I'm on 2376 01:45:13,940 --> 01:45:11,430 the Do Not Call list why are you calling 2377 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:13,950 me this is a felony I would say it's a 2378 01:45:17,660 --> 01:45:15,930 felony it doesn't but I always tell them 2379 01:45:19,790 --> 01:45:17,670 it's a felony that I'm gonna have you 2380 01:45:22,430 --> 01:45:19,800 arrested because I don't like people who 2381 01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:22,440 make unsolicited phone calls this is not 2382 01:45:38,699 --> 01:45:25,650 unsolicited this is gene this is Chris 2383 01:45:47,230 --> 01:45:42,199 thank you for listening to GCN 2384 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:49,700 attack of the rocket has been 2385 01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:51,450 well-received by critics and readers 2386 01:45:56,210 --> 01:45:53,370 alike it's a thrill a minute story 2387 01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:56,220 you'll never forget a former US military 2388 01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:58,560 intelligence officer is haunted by 2389 01:46:03,470 --> 01:46:00,840 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 2390 01:46:06,230 --> 01:46:03,480 pleading for his help after a terrible 2391 01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:06,240 battle in outer space but the dreams 2392 01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:08,370 turn out to be true and thrust him into 2393 01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,170 a telepathic love affair with a woman 2394 01:46:15,380 --> 01:46:13,020 whose faraway planet is intent on 2395 01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:15,390 destroying the earth and now the 2396 01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:18,210 gripping tale continues in the coming of 2397 01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:20,670 the protectors it's the second book of 2398 01:46:25,460 --> 01:46:23,280 the rockets trilogy a galaxy spanning 2399 01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:25,470 adventure that pits our hapless heroes 2400 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who knows what evil lurks 2442 01:48:37,379 --> 01:48:35,889 in the hearts of men that brought the 2443 01:48:40,919 --> 01:48:37,389 show to a dead stop Greg you want to 2444 01:48:43,290 --> 01:48:40,929 pick up yes I just decided thud I was 2445 01:48:45,959 --> 01:48:43,300 gonna talk on on the since it is 2446 01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:45,969 Halloween week talk a little of what 2447 01:48:51,689 --> 01:48:49,119 UFOs and ghosts and I I think it's 2448 01:48:53,609 --> 01:48:51,699 worthwhile talking about because I'm 2449 01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,619 early in my investigations when I was 2450 01:48:58,919 --> 01:48:56,320 doing some field studies tracking down a 2451 01:49:01,319 --> 01:48:58,929 flap and there was a whole bunch of UFOs 2452 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:01,329 in this particular area you know in a 2453 01:49:05,250 --> 01:49:03,730 farm land and I would be talking with 2454 01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:05,260 witnesses and asking them the usual 2455 01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:08,020 questions have you you know had anything 2456 01:49:12,810 --> 01:49:11,110 other than this one ever seen anyone 2457 01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:12,820 else in your family see anything how 2458 01:49:17,580 --> 01:49:14,770 about years ago and so forth trying to 2459 01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,590 track down some of the history of the 2460 01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:19,679 UFOs that were seen on particular area 2461 01:49:24,209 --> 01:49:21,489 occasionally I would run across somebody 2462 01:49:27,359 --> 01:49:24,219 who said you know what I didn't see you 2463 01:49:29,250 --> 01:49:27,369 know any UFO you know that everybody's 2464 01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:29,260 talking about but you know there's 2465 01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:30,639 something funny there's a cemetery 2466 01:49:36,359 --> 01:49:33,520 that's just down the road about a half a 2467 01:49:38,189 --> 01:49:36,369 mile and I see lights moving over the 2468 01:49:40,169 --> 01:49:38,199 tops of the trees by the cemetery all 2469 01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:40,179 the time and we just assume that those 2470 01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:42,550 are some of the ghosts and the question 2471 01:49:48,299 --> 01:49:44,650 is are those ghosts the ghost lights 2472 01:49:50,399 --> 01:49:48,309 spook lights or are those UFOs there's a 2473 01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:50,409 lot of places around the country where 2474 01:49:56,729 --> 01:49:53,530 you can see spook lights a lot of Brown 2475 01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,739 Mountain lights and and so forth but a 2476 01:50:01,319 --> 01:49:58,480 lot of them have explanations that 2477 01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:01,329 they're either cars driving on distant 2478 01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:03,190 roads you know in the mountains that you 2479 01:50:07,390 --> 01:50:05,280 can't see them out all the time but 2480 01:50:11,050 --> 01:50:07,400 lights at the end of the road 2481 01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:11,060 that are often mistaken for for UFOs but 2482 01:50:15,580 --> 01:50:13,730 there is this other category of lights 2483 01:50:18,189 --> 01:50:15,590 and and I know some people call them 2484 01:50:20,169 --> 01:50:18,199 orbs and so forth not the ones that show 2485 01:50:23,709 --> 01:50:20,179 up in photographs because orbs and 2486 01:50:26,770 --> 01:50:23,719 photographs are almost always just some 2487 01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:26,780 pieces of dust and so forth but the 2488 01:50:31,419 --> 01:50:29,510 lights that people see moving about and 2489 01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:31,429 they're just amorphous blobs of light 2490 01:50:35,590 --> 01:50:33,890 that are seen blobbing and bobbing 2491 01:50:38,169 --> 01:50:35,600 around maybe they disappear and come 2492 01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,179 back in some cases they enter the ground 2493 01:50:43,570 --> 01:50:40,400 and come out again and her buildings and 2494 01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:43,580 come out again are those UFOs some 2495 01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:46,880 people who are really into the ETH say 2496 01:50:51,610 --> 01:50:48,770 that perhaps those are the aliens 2497 01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:51,620 manifesting in and out of dimensions and 2498 01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:54,770 so forth people are into the ghost side 2499 01:50:57,939 --> 01:50:56,030 of things talk about those who really 2500 01:51:00,090 --> 01:50:57,949 are the spirits that are manifesting 2501 01:51:02,830 --> 01:51:00,100 going in out of dimensions and so forth 2502 01:51:05,410 --> 01:51:02,840 depending on who it is who's talking 2503 01:51:07,930 --> 01:51:05,420 with a witness his or her self might 2504 01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:07,940 have their own interpretation but we 2505 01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:10,310 have this relationship between the 2506 01:51:16,030 --> 01:51:13,489 spirit world and UFOs quite a bit and if 2507 01:51:19,689 --> 01:51:16,040 we get into the abduction thing I know 2508 01:51:22,930 --> 01:51:19,699 if somebody's in their bedroom late at 2509 01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:22,940 night and this this black and to the up 2510 01:51:27,220 --> 01:51:24,590 here is coming out of the closet when 2511 01:51:28,750 --> 01:51:27,230 they're paralyzed appears to convey some 2512 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:28,760 information to them or perhaps doesn't 2513 01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:30,650 say anything but just stares at them 2514 01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:32,840 then walks out again well is that a 2515 01:51:40,689 --> 01:51:36,710 visit by a demon or a spirit or an alien 2516 01:51:43,390 --> 01:51:40,699 it depends on the witness's belief and 2517 01:51:45,729 --> 01:51:43,400 the belief of the investigators it's 2518 01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:45,739 curious that you know the ghost hunters 2519 01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:47,330 that you see on TV you know they have 2520 01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:50,330 the PK meters and they have a whole 2521 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:53,270 series of gadgets by and large you 2522 01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:54,890 follow just don't have those types of 2523 01:52:00,130 --> 01:51:57,050 things for detecting electromagnetic 2524 01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:00,140 magnetic radiation a few do but you know 2525 01:52:05,740 --> 01:52:02,449 they're more into radiation detectors 2526 01:52:08,380 --> 01:52:05,750 and a Geiger counters and so forth in 2527 01:52:10,270 --> 01:52:08,390 two different sets of devices that may 2528 01:52:12,370 --> 01:52:10,280 be investigating the same types of 2529 01:52:15,580 --> 01:52:12,380 phenomena so there's lots of overlap 2530 01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:15,590 between the different fields and even in 2531 01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:17,570 terms of what how it affects the the 2532 01:52:22,839 --> 01:52:19,550 witnesses the witnesses 2533 01:52:24,759 --> 01:52:22,849 who see a ghost may be very scared we'd 2534 01:52:27,759 --> 01:52:24,769 be very frightened maybe it shakes them 2535 01:52:29,709 --> 01:52:27,769 to the core maybe their religion may not 2536 01:52:31,779 --> 01:52:29,719 allow it maybe there are some physical 2537 01:52:34,649 --> 01:52:31,789 effects marks on the body are very 2538 01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:34,659 common in some demonic possession cases 2539 01:52:41,169 --> 01:52:37,610 that are reported marks in the body from 2540 01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:41,179 UFO abductions what's the difference is 2541 01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:43,489 there a difference and and then you can 2542 01:52:48,189 --> 01:52:45,530 get into dimension demons well some 2543 01:52:50,859 --> 01:52:48,199 people believe that aliens are demons 2544 01:52:52,660 --> 01:52:50,869 that Satan has sent them another aspect 2545 01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:52,670 of religion so you know that's very 2546 01:52:59,859 --> 01:52:56,030 common among certain certain organized 2547 01:53:00,479 --> 01:52:59,869 religions there is a sect of Jews for 2548 01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:00,489 Jesus 2549 01:53:08,049 --> 01:53:03,590 that's wrongly maintained that those 2550 01:53:12,279 --> 01:53:08,059 behind UFOs are demonic absolutely that 2551 01:53:15,009 --> 01:53:12,289 by the way was my wife's uncle Lewis 2552 01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:15,019 Kaplan if you look him up I once visited 2553 01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:17,510 his home and they said look we got 2554 01:53:22,569 --> 01:53:20,210 booked by somebody here about UFOs and I 2555 01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:22,579 read it and it was all about you know 2556 01:53:29,609 --> 01:53:25,760 we're having to say certain incantations 2557 01:53:33,399 --> 01:53:29,619 to tell the UFO creatures to stay away 2558 01:53:35,979 --> 01:53:33,409 exactly yeah and there's a lot of sort 2559 01:53:38,109 --> 01:53:35,989 of spillover from here and there when I 2560 01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:38,119 was growing up my parents were Catholic 2561 01:53:41,140 --> 01:53:40,010 and I I remember getting into this was 2562 01:53:44,350 --> 01:53:41,150 about the time when erich von daniken 2563 01:53:47,140 --> 01:53:44,360 and early 70s had his stuff about 2564 01:53:50,319 --> 01:53:47,150 Chariots of the Gods I remember one of 2565 01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,329 the priests from the church that they 2566 01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:52,400 had been attending came over one time 2567 01:53:55,870 --> 01:53:54,440 when he saw this book and he was 2568 01:53:57,700 --> 01:53:55,880 absolutely convinced that I was going to 2569 01:53:59,890 --> 01:53:57,710 be going to hell because I was reading 2570 01:54:02,049 --> 01:53:59,900 this stuff about Chariots of the Gods 2571 01:54:04,209 --> 01:54:02,059 and ancient astronauts because now that 2572 01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:04,219 was clearly not not authorized by the 2573 01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:06,530 Catholic Church and Here I am now 2574 01:54:11,140 --> 01:54:08,449 speaking of hell I'm in the para cast 2575 01:54:14,259 --> 01:54:11,150 with Jean Steinberg and Greg Bishop and 2576 01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:14,269 you see they were right they were right 2577 01:54:21,879 --> 01:54:17,510 they were right that's it what else can 2578 01:54:24,669 --> 01:54:21,889 I say now the other thing here I read in 2579 01:54:27,359 --> 01:54:24,679 this particular book about demonic UFOs 2580 01:54:30,189 --> 01:54:27,369 it signals some kind of rapture end 2581 01:54:32,259 --> 01:54:30,199 times kind of thing well yeah how 2582 01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:32,269 Lindsay was into that too that the the 2583 01:54:35,919 --> 01:54:33,170 when there 2584 01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:35,929 more and more UFOs coming it was because 2585 01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:38,719 you know the the end times are were upon 2586 01:54:41,740 --> 01:54:39,140 us 2587 01:54:44,020 --> 01:54:41,750 that's also another factor from the 2588 01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:44,030 contactees the contactees of the of the 2589 01:54:47,530 --> 01:54:45,650 50's we're telling us that the end times 2590 01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:47,540 were near just as the same that the 2591 01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:50,480 contactees of today are are saying the 2592 01:54:54,669 --> 01:54:52,610 same thing eventually somebody's going 2593 01:54:56,890 --> 01:54:54,679 to get it right well the thing that 2594 01:55:01,570 --> 01:54:56,900 bothers me is you can say both at the 2595 01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:01,580 same time you know UFOs are evil piloted 2596 01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,360 by evil beings they're good and you get 2597 01:55:10,439 --> 01:55:07,760 the same thing about the same UFOs just 2598 01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:10,449 as for example people are undergoing 2599 01:55:17,439 --> 01:55:14,000 extraordinarily frightening experiences 2600 01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:17,449 with UFO abductions I would not want to 2601 01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:19,730 have to undergo that it scared me to 2602 01:55:22,330 --> 01:55:20,000 death 2603 01:55:25,390 --> 01:55:22,340 especially at my age but some people 2604 01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:25,400 welcome it they feel sure it's one fuzzy 2605 01:55:32,169 --> 01:55:29,360 towards their abductors yes like what is 2606 01:55:34,930 --> 01:55:32,179 the name of the syndrome who's not home 2607 01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:34,940 soon there's the Stockholm that's dock 2608 01:55:42,340 --> 01:55:38,570 home syndrome where you come to admire 2609 01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:42,350 or accept your abductors mmm-hmm yeah 2610 01:55:52,209 --> 01:55:50,500 contactees who believe that the aliens 2611 01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:52,219 are good or abductees sorry the 2612 01:55:58,090 --> 01:55:54,110 abduction researchers believe the aliens 2613 01:56:00,850 --> 01:55:58,100 are good versus bad I mean I was at if 2614 01:56:05,890 --> 01:56:00,860 you recall Greg at the International UFO 2615 01:56:09,220 --> 01:56:05,900 Congress when David Jacobs was talking 2616 01:56:11,590 --> 01:56:09,230 yeah and he was his slant is that you 2617 01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:11,600 know the aliens have have bad intentions 2618 01:56:18,370 --> 01:56:15,199 basically and I was at the back of the 2619 01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:18,380 room with some people from the the 2620 01:56:22,900 --> 01:56:21,050 contactee side of things who are 2621 01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:22,910 convinced that the aliens were were been 2622 01:56:27,570 --> 01:56:24,800 Evelyn tanned friendly and all this sort 2623 01:56:30,939 --> 01:56:27,580 of thing they walked out on David Jacobs 2624 01:56:32,439 --> 01:56:30,949 because he was not you know saying that 2625 01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:32,449 the aliens were friendly he was saying 2626 01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:36,110 the aliens were bad so you know you know 2627 01:56:41,260 --> 01:56:38,330 even with in ufology and even this 2628 01:56:44,590 --> 01:56:41,270 particular group of individuals who 2629 01:56:46,670 --> 01:56:44,600 believe that you know there there's you 2630 01:56:48,530 --> 01:56:46,680 know demonic versus angelic 2631 01:56:50,330 --> 01:56:48,540 for example there there's this riff 2632 01:56:52,910 --> 01:56:50,340 developing between good and evil 2633 01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:52,920 and you know I don't know there probably 2634 01:56:59,150 --> 01:56:55,760 is a doctoral thesis in there somewhere 2635 01:57:01,160 --> 01:56:59,160 about you know the nature of evil and 2636 01:57:04,370 --> 01:57:01,170 the nature of good as demonstrated by 2637 01:57:07,700 --> 01:57:04,380 alien encounters it's there's a lot of 2638 01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:07,710 fascinating directions for research in 2639 01:57:15,010 --> 01:57:10,860 fact I made the point earlier in another 2640 01:57:19,970 --> 01:57:15,020 program that there are hundreds of 2641 01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:19,980 doctoral theses PhD theses about UFOs 2642 01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:23,360 that have been produced just in the past 2643 01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:26,610 you know 10 15 20 years something like 2644 01:57:33,470 --> 01:57:29,690 that and more being produced every day 2645 01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:33,480 let's take that to our next segment wait 2646 01:57:46,660 --> 01:57:36,510 Chris Rutkowski Greg Bishop gene 2647 01:57:51,860 --> 01:57:49,460 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02:02:37,900 my dulcet tones I think there's probably 2773 02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:41,080 a doctoral thesis just on this sort of 2774 02:02:47,730 --> 02:02:44,560 stuff - okay so Gaga theses and but 2775 02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:47,740 there is no official course is there in 2776 02:02:52,230 --> 02:02:50,170 ufology no I mean there's a couple of 2777 02:02:54,510 --> 02:02:52,240 community colleges that that teach 2778 02:02:56,610 --> 02:02:54,520 things as a matter of fact I it sounds 2779 02:03:00,120 --> 02:02:56,620 like I'm gonna be teaching a community 2780 02:03:03,300 --> 02:03:00,130 course on UFO sometime in the in the 2781 02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:03,310 next year but no you know you can't go 2782 02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:05,170 to you to university or college and get 2783 02:03:09,810 --> 02:03:07,590 a degree or anything and ufology but 2784 02:03:13,590 --> 02:03:09,820 it's not a science in its own right 2785 02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:13,600 although you can actually use scientific 2786 02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:15,850 methodology to study the subject there's 2787 02:03:20,690 --> 02:03:17,590 a lot of things that can prepare you for 2788 02:03:23,690 --> 02:03:20,700 that I mean I I do encourage people to 2789 02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:23,700 study astronomy you know go through 2790 02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:26,560 what's in the skies you understand when 2791 02:03:31,650 --> 02:03:28,510 you investigate a case what is and what 2792 02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:31,660 what isn't up there I think that 2793 02:03:37,170 --> 02:03:34,930 studying psychology certainly helps one 2794 02:03:38,700 --> 02:03:37,180 of my degrees is uh as a minor in 2795 02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:38,710 psychology so it's interesting to study 2796 02:03:45,900 --> 02:03:42,210 perceptual skills the psychology belief 2797 02:03:48,270 --> 02:03:45,910 you can certainly approach you've UFOs 2798 02:03:50,610 --> 02:03:48,280 through a meteoritic 2799 02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:50,620 through physics through geology the 2800 02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:53,440 biology of extraterrestrial life they're 2801 02:03:59,280 --> 02:03:55,770 actually our course is now in xenovia 2802 02:04:01,500 --> 02:03:59,290 exobiology and xenobiology to study the 2803 02:04:06,030 --> 02:04:01,510 possibility of life in outer space or 2804 02:04:07,710 --> 02:04:06,040 the effects of space on life so you can 2805 02:04:08,929 --> 02:04:07,720 approach ufology from a lot of different 2806 02:04:11,629 --> 02:04:08,939 directions 2807 02:04:14,060 --> 02:04:11,639 and even historical surveys I mean we 2808 02:04:16,549 --> 02:04:14,070 mentioned David Jacobs well despite his 2809 02:04:21,439 --> 02:04:16,559 abduction stuff he wrote the book on the 2810 02:04:23,089 --> 02:04:21,449 history of UFOs back in was at 78 79 2811 02:04:26,449 --> 02:04:23,099 that it came out or something like that 2812 02:04:29,870 --> 02:04:26,459 76 and it's still one of the best 2813 02:04:31,399 --> 02:04:29,880 histories of UFOs up until that time so 2814 02:04:33,469 --> 02:04:31,409 there's there's a lot of research that 2815 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:33,479 can be done and a lot of people are 2816 02:04:39,049 --> 02:04:36,090 actually delving into this to try and 2817 02:04:41,239 --> 02:04:39,059 understand I mean abduction research is 2818 02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:41,249 really taking off in terms of doctoral 2819 02:04:46,459 --> 02:04:43,199 theses as well trying to understand why 2820 02:04:49,549 --> 02:04:46,469 people see these things and and why they 2821 02:04:51,739 --> 02:04:49,559 believe they've been abducted whether 2822 02:04:53,540 --> 02:04:51,749 they have or not so I think there's a 2823 02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:53,550 lot of material there that science 2824 02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:56,729 should be examining in some detail 2825 02:05:02,449 --> 02:05:00,239 because this is a significant percentage 2826 02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:02,459 of the population you're looking at 2827 02:05:08,569 --> 02:05:05,280 about 10% of the population believes 2828 02:05:11,989 --> 02:05:08,579 they've seen UFOs that's a significant 2829 02:05:16,699 --> 02:05:11,999 number and what in the United States 2830 02:05:19,069 --> 02:05:16,709 alone was the population 300 million or 2831 02:05:21,469 --> 02:05:19,079 something like that so 30 million people 2832 02:05:25,129 --> 02:05:21,479 the United States believe they've seen 2833 02:05:28,189 --> 02:05:25,139 UFOs that's a lot of people that's an 2834 02:05:29,989 --> 02:05:28,199 experiential database that is very very 2835 02:05:31,850 --> 02:05:29,999 strong and that's not including the 2836 02:05:35,239 --> 02:05:31,860 people who are just fascinated with the 2837 02:05:37,699 --> 02:05:35,249 subject so I think that science really 2838 02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:37,709 should spend some time rather than 2839 02:05:42,140 --> 02:05:40,169 dismissing and naysaying and and just 2840 02:05:45,739 --> 02:05:42,150 saying it's all up to hallucinations and 2841 02:05:47,330 --> 02:05:45,749 and people's foolishness to say yeah you 2842 02:05:49,339 --> 02:05:47,340 know what this is an interesting field 2843 02:05:52,100 --> 02:05:49,349 of study because so many people are into 2844 02:05:54,859 --> 02:05:52,110 this why I want to know why I want to 2845 02:05:56,689 --> 02:05:54,869 know why people are into this what 2846 02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,699 drives their beliefs if there isn't a 2847 02:06:00,469 --> 02:05:58,320 physical phenomenon what's the 2848 02:06:03,020 --> 02:06:00,479 psychological and sociological phenomena 2849 02:06:05,569 --> 02:06:03,030 that that it represents and tell me 2850 02:06:08,419 --> 02:06:05,579 about the history if you really approach 2851 02:06:10,819 --> 02:06:08,429 it from that direction I think we'll be 2852 02:06:15,169 --> 02:06:10,829 making some progress let me ask you 2853 02:06:17,770 --> 02:06:15,179 quickly here you surveyed Canadian UFO 2854 02:06:20,089 --> 02:06:17,780 witnesses and the population as a whole 2855 02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:20,099 what percentage of people in your 2856 02:06:23,610 --> 02:06:22,000 country believe in UFOs 2857 02:06:26,610 --> 02:06:23,620 and how many what percentage have 2858 02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:26,620 reported or have seen UFOs I just had 2859 02:06:33,150 --> 02:06:29,730 this on my blog - there was actually a 2860 02:06:35,190 --> 02:06:33,160 poll like Gallup that a decimal I forget 2861 02:06:37,230 --> 02:06:35,200 the the poll that just came out serving 2862 02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:37,240 Angus Reed Angus Reed is a polling 2863 02:06:41,730 --> 02:06:39,730 company in the in Canada very much like 2864 02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:41,740 Gallup and I just surveyed the Canadian 2865 02:06:47,610 --> 02:06:43,980 population on a lot of unusual things 2866 02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:47,620 not just UFOs but belief in spiritualism 2867 02:06:53,490 --> 02:06:51,070 and strange things like that there's a 2868 02:06:57,060 --> 02:06:53,500 very significant percentage of the 2869 02:06:59,310 --> 02:06:57,070 population that believed in UFOs it was 2870 02:07:00,900 --> 02:06:59,320 something of the order of 50 something 2871 02:07:03,180 --> 02:07:00,910 percent believe that the government was 2872 02:07:05,790 --> 02:07:03,190 covering up information about UFOs that 2873 02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:05,800 the existence of UFOs was real there was 2874 02:07:12,030 --> 02:07:09,130 a slight change in men versus women 2875 02:07:15,570 --> 02:07:12,040 depending on region and and broken down 2876 02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:15,580 by age and gender certain areas of the 2877 02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:18,880 country believed more than others the 2878 02:07:25,290 --> 02:07:22,330 East Coast seems to believe more in UFOs 2879 02:07:27,180 --> 02:07:25,300 than the prairies for example and 2880 02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:27,190 whether that has something to do with 2881 02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:29,440 the weather or the the ocean or 2882 02:07:33,930 --> 02:07:31,450 something I don't know but it was very 2883 02:07:35,580 --> 02:07:33,940 interesting to see that studies like 2884 02:07:38,460 --> 02:07:35,590 that have been done and there have been 2885 02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,470 some polls I don't recall a Gallup poll 2886 02:07:42,540 --> 02:07:40,960 on UFOs in the United States for quite 2887 02:07:44,460 --> 02:07:42,550 some time now and I'm thinking it's 2888 02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:44,470 probably do I wouldn't be at all 2889 02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:46,930 surprised that what is being in the in 2890 02:07:51,210 --> 02:07:49,270 preparation right now but it's not just 2891 02:07:53,070 --> 02:07:51,220 Canada u.s. it's all around the world I 2892 02:07:55,050 --> 02:07:53,080 think there been a few studies in 2893 02:07:57,080 --> 02:07:55,060 England along this lines I don't know 2894 02:07:59,610 --> 02:07:57,090 about the stats from other countries 2895 02:08:01,440 --> 02:07:59,620 partly because of the language barriers 2896 02:08:03,660 --> 02:08:01,450 possibly because of cultural barriers 2897 02:08:05,700 --> 02:08:03,670 some areas of the world we simply don't 2898 02:08:08,210 --> 02:08:05,710 know about we know that statistically 2899 02:08:12,030 --> 02:08:08,220 China should have more UFO reports and 2900 02:08:13,860 --> 02:08:12,040 other significant areas of the world we 2901 02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:13,870 don't know we know that there are UFOs 2902 02:08:17,310 --> 02:08:15,250 being reported there there's a couple of 2903 02:08:18,510 --> 02:08:17,320 UFO groups but whether we're getting the 2904 02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:18,520 information out or not 2905 02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:22,000 we suspect that there's a large resource 2906 02:08:26,970 --> 02:08:25,360 a large database of UFO cases from Asia 2907 02:08:29,130 --> 02:08:26,980 that we simply haven't heard about yet 2908 02:08:31,710 --> 02:08:29,140 just imagine you know if we say ten 2909 02:08:35,399 --> 02:08:31,720 percent of the population of North 2910 02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:35,409 America believe they've seen a UFO only 2911 02:08:39,659 --> 02:08:38,050 10% of that population the one in a 2912 02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:39,669 hundred have actually reported them so 2913 02:08:45,779 --> 02:08:42,880 we have those cases on file I mean if 2914 02:08:48,569 --> 02:08:45,789 you look at the population of Japan and 2915 02:08:50,429 --> 02:08:48,579 Shanghai in places like that there's a 2916 02:08:53,310 --> 02:08:50,439 lot of beautiful reports we are waiting 2917 02:08:55,819 --> 02:08:53,320 to hear in terms of really interesting 2918 02:08:59,939 --> 02:08:55,829 cases we have somewhere approaching 2919 02:09:04,140 --> 02:08:59,949 20,000 UFO cases on file in Canada now 2920 02:09:06,949 --> 02:09:04,150 of those even if only two or three dozen 2921 02:09:09,810 --> 02:09:06,959 were you know close encounter with some 2922 02:09:11,549 --> 02:09:09,820 documentation like that just imagine how 2923 02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:11,559 many exist out of the millions and 2924 02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:14,590 millions of people that are available to 2925 02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:16,090 see UFOs in other parts of the world 2926 02:09:21,179 --> 02:09:19,090 that are much more densely populated so 2927 02:09:23,399 --> 02:09:21,189 there's a lot of people out there who 2928 02:09:25,229 --> 02:09:23,409 are experiencing things and once again 2929 02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:25,239 I'm gonna be the broken record I think 2930 02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,010 it's time for science to take a closer 2931 02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:29,679 look at the UFO phenomenon regardless of 2932 02:09:32,909 --> 02:09:30,159 the outcome 2933 02:09:35,279 --> 02:09:32,919 now when you'd say this I think of what 2934 02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:35,289 Stan Freedman mentions quite often in 2935 02:09:40,259 --> 02:09:37,689 his lectures when he asks somebody in 2936 02:09:42,689 --> 02:09:40,269 the 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02:15:01,500 --> 02:14:59,590 of dark skies the co-author of AD after 3071 02:15:03,650 --> 02:15:01,510 disclosure and you are listening to the 3072 02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:03,660 para cast the gold standard of 3073 02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:05,330 paranormal radio 3074 02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:12,729 [Music] 3075 02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:16,010 well his rhythms a little bit off ladies 3076 02:15:22,419 --> 02:15:17,360 and gentlemen I'm sorry about that 3077 02:15:25,779 --> 02:15:22,429 how dare you seriously speaking Chris 3078 02:15:27,819 --> 02:15:25,789 rutkowski what do you think about these 3079 02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:27,829 untold numbers of people who don't 3080 02:15:32,439 --> 02:15:30,079 report anything it's like you know we 3081 02:15:34,989 --> 02:15:32,449 don't really have the evidence because 3082 02:15:38,109 --> 02:15:34,999 an unknown percentage of it is not 3083 02:15:39,819 --> 02:15:38,119 available to us absolutely that's that 3084 02:15:41,500 --> 02:15:39,829 that's absolutely true you know 3085 02:15:45,009 --> 02:15:41,510 everybody seems to have a story about 3086 02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:45,019 you know a neighbor or a cousin or 3087 02:15:48,699 --> 02:15:47,209 somebody who's seen something but 3088 02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:48,709 they're unwilling to come forward with 3089 02:15:52,750 --> 02:15:50,719 it and that certainly is a problem I 3090 02:15:56,409 --> 02:15:52,760 think the ridicule factor that was what 3091 02:16:00,580 --> 02:15:56,419 Hynek coin is decreasing I think it's 3092 02:16:03,969 --> 02:16:00,590 not as significant anymore I in fact of 3093 02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:03,979 all the mainstream media interviews that 3094 02:16:11,739 --> 02:16:07,610 I've been doing I would say maybe only 3095 02:16:13,989 --> 02:16:11,749 one or two percent of them involve some 3096 02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:13,999 you know ridicule of some sort most 3097 02:16:18,279 --> 02:16:16,639 individuals most media are taking it 3098 02:16:20,109 --> 02:16:18,289 fairly seriously it's a fascinating 3099 02:16:22,569 --> 02:16:20,119 subject they want to know more tell us 3100 02:16:24,459 --> 02:16:22,579 the stories and and approaching it from 3101 02:16:26,409 --> 02:16:24,469 that point of view there's a lot of rich 3102 02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:26,419 stories out there but you know the 3103 02:16:31,389 --> 02:16:29,840 problem is not just that we don't hear 3104 02:16:33,820 --> 02:16:31,399 about the cases and there may be some 3105 02:16:36,939 --> 02:16:33,830 good cases out there even when we do 3106 02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:36,949 hear about the cases they're not well 3107 02:16:41,169 --> 02:16:39,170 investigated I know there's some really 3108 02:16:43,660 --> 02:16:41,179 good field investigators from fajn and 3109 02:16:47,049 --> 02:16:43,670 other organizations out there but I 3110 02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:47,059 don't think that UFO reports in general 3111 02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:50,319 are well investigated and by that I mean 3112 02:16:56,229 --> 02:16:53,449 in-person investigations accurate 3113 02:16:59,919 --> 02:16:56,239 direction of the UFO and its movement 3114 02:17:02,530 --> 02:16:59,929 recorded full documentation you know a 3115 02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:02,540 real rigorous investigation now it may 3116 02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:04,969 not be necessary to do that with a lot 3117 02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:07,250 of simple nocturnal lights that are seen 3118 02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,050 at a distance for two or three seconds 3119 02:17:15,250 --> 02:17:11,599 or something like that and I understand 3120 02:17:18,429 --> 02:17:15,260 that completely but of we had about 3121 02:17:20,450 --> 02:17:18,439 1,000 cases reported in Canada every 3122 02:17:23,839 --> 02:17:20,460 year and of those one 3123 02:17:27,230 --> 02:17:23,849 thousand cases I would say that maybe 3124 02:17:29,660 --> 02:17:27,240 only 20 or 30 are what I would describe 3125 02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:29,670 as well investigated or decently 3126 02:17:33,230 --> 02:17:30,719 investigated 3127 02:17:35,390 --> 02:17:33,240 I suspect the proportion is about the 3128 02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:35,400 same anywhere else not just United 3129 02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:36,690 States but anywhere else around the 3130 02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:39,599 world England France Germany and 3131 02:17:45,770 --> 02:17:42,240 Australia and so forth simply because 3132 02:17:47,180 --> 02:17:45,780 it's difficult it's time-consuming the 3133 02:17:50,060 --> 02:17:47,190 resources available to field 3134 02:17:51,770 --> 02:17:50,070 investigators are really limited I mean 3135 02:17:53,540 --> 02:17:51,780 you get over from work after working 3136 02:17:55,669 --> 02:17:53,550 eight or ten hours a day you have to 3137 02:17:58,040 --> 02:17:55,679 feed the kids you have to pay the bills 3138 02:17:59,719 --> 02:17:58,050 go grocery shopping and by the way 3139 02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,729 you're gonna interview a group of people 3140 02:18:03,259 --> 02:18:01,200 who have seen a UFO but you have to be 3141 02:18:06,580 --> 02:18:03,269 back in half an hour because the walking 3142 02:18:09,650 --> 02:18:06,590 dead starts up tonight so there's a 3143 02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:09,660 limited number of people out there who 3144 02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:11,040 are willing to take the time to actually 3145 02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:14,880 investigate in any great detail it's not 3146 02:18:20,299 --> 02:18:17,760 as glamorous as portrayed on a lot of 3147 02:18:22,100 --> 02:18:20,309 shows Mulder and Scully had unlimited 3148 02:18:23,560 --> 02:18:22,110 resources and could fly hither and 3149 02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:23,570 thither and yon and appear magically 3150 02:18:28,820 --> 02:18:26,760 within a few minutes across the country 3151 02:18:31,339 --> 02:18:28,830 to investigate some strange occurrences 3152 02:18:33,950 --> 02:18:31,349 and the real heavy I wouldn't support 3153 02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:33,960 that have their real FBI in fact to fill 3154 02:18:36,919 --> 02:18:35,370 class used to complain you know if 3155 02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:36,929 people been abducted why don't they 3156 02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:38,639 report their experiences to the FBI 3157 02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:40,559 they'd get to the bottom of it well you 3158 02:18:44,780 --> 02:18:42,450 try and convincing an FBI agent of that 3159 02:18:47,780 --> 02:18:44,790 and even when there is something to 3160 02:18:50,140 --> 02:18:47,790 investigate allocating the budget to pay 3161 02:18:53,390 --> 02:18:50,150 for the travel if it's not an immediate 3162 02:18:56,209 --> 02:18:53,400 crime something of real serious concern 3163 02:18:58,129 --> 02:18:56,219 they're not gonna do it yeah it'd be it 3164 02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:58,139 would be very tricky there's there's no 3165 02:19:01,790 --> 02:18:59,760 question that there would be some some 3166 02:19:03,740 --> 02:19:01,800 trickiness involved we put together this 3167 02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:03,750 show rather quickly as we do sometimes I 3168 02:19:08,089 --> 02:19:05,370 think that's the big fun of it and the 3169 02:19:10,310 --> 02:19:08,099 fun of the power cast is spontaneity but 3170 02:19:12,589 --> 02:19:10,320 we did open our questions in the 3171 02:19:15,379 --> 02:19:12,599 question Bank at forum dr. Perik asked 3172 02:19:17,570 --> 02:19:15,389 calm and I believe Gregg if you look 3173 02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:17,580 over a question there from a Canadian 3174 02:19:24,650 --> 02:19:21,840 listener name of Marduk yes here is the 3175 02:19:26,690 --> 02:19:24,660 question from our listener Marduk Chris 3176 02:19:28,610 --> 02:19:26,700 it looks like my hometown of Calgary is 3177 02:19:30,320 --> 02:19:28,620 seeing increased sightings as an example 3178 02:19:32,990 --> 02:19:30,330 and I said and I saw a weird band of 3179 02:19:33,889 --> 02:19:33,000 sparkling light at sunset a few months 3180 02:19:35,450 --> 02:19:33,899 ago which was 3181 02:19:38,299 --> 02:19:35,460 what kinds of sightings are being 3182 02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:38,309 reported around my area recently well 3183 02:19:43,219 --> 02:19:40,290 I'd love Marduk to uh to let me know 3184 02:19:45,469 --> 02:19:43,229 more about that I from the description a 3185 02:19:47,870 --> 02:19:45,479 weird band of sparkling light at sunset 3186 02:19:49,849 --> 02:19:47,880 it doesn't sound like your standard UFO 3187 02:19:52,700 --> 02:19:49,859 sounds like a strange weather phenomenon 3188 02:19:55,010 --> 02:19:52,710 I suppose but you know there are areas 3189 02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:55,020 of Canada just like areas around the 3190 02:19:58,820 --> 02:19:56,250 United States or other parts of the 3191 02:20:02,240 --> 02:19:58,830 world where there are slight increases 3192 02:20:04,330 --> 02:20:02,250 of flaps or many flaps I suppose where 3193 02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,340 there's an increase from time to time 3194 02:20:12,349 --> 02:20:07,920 there were I think a few a handful of 3195 02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:12,359 UFO reports in in Alberta over the past 3196 02:20:17,780 --> 02:20:15,050 several months but I would say overall 3197 02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,790 no more so that would be expected from 3198 02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:20,160 variations across the rest of Canada in 3199 02:20:24,139 --> 02:20:21,810 fact you know we don't actually do the 3200 02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:24,149 statistical analysis of Canadian UFO 3201 02:20:28,670 --> 02:20:26,130 reports until well into the following 3202 02:20:32,330 --> 02:20:28,680 year so I can't tell you how things have 3203 02:20:34,730 --> 02:20:32,340 been across Canada so far in 1986 in 3204 02:20:36,980 --> 02:20:34,740 general but what I can't tell you is 3205 02:20:41,599 --> 02:20:36,990 that there's been a significant increase 3206 02:20:44,330 --> 02:20:41,609 in the cases in Quebec and I think the 3207 02:20:47,810 --> 02:20:44,340 figure that I saw recently was something 3208 02:20:50,750 --> 02:20:47,820 like three or four hundred UFO reports 3209 02:20:52,910 --> 02:20:50,760 in Quebec this past year that's a big 3210 02:20:54,650 --> 02:20:52,920 chunk and it'll be interesting to see 3211 02:20:57,230 --> 02:20:54,660 how those sightings are broken down once 3212 02:21:01,010 --> 02:20:57,240 we once we delve into them a little bit 3213 02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:01,020 more so you know a handful of seen in 3214 02:21:08,270 --> 02:21:04,160 Calgary versus three or 400 in Quebec 3215 02:21:10,370 --> 02:21:08,280 can't be compared but it could be just a 3216 02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,380 normal variation we'll have to see and 3217 02:21:13,700 --> 02:21:12,240 that's why science has to study it a 3218 02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:13,710 little bit more to try and understand 3219 02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:19,170 why we have these variances Greg he's 3220 02:21:26,690 --> 02:21:23,100 sleeping okay okay I don't want to sing 3221 02:21:28,130 --> 02:21:26,700 a lullaby because it'll be oh I'm 3222 02:21:29,929 --> 02:21:28,140 listening to you I was just listening to 3223 02:21:30,580 --> 02:21:29,939 the people running around the house here 3224 02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:30,590 too 3225 02:21:35,570 --> 02:21:33,030 it's got people running around the house 3226 02:21:39,410 --> 02:21:35,580 trying to do some are they people are 3227 02:21:40,820 --> 02:21:39,420 not not demons you know it could be it 3228 02:21:44,599 --> 02:21:40,830 could be because it's near Halloween 3229 02:21:46,310 --> 02:21:44,609 I've got a I've got a big scary skeleton 3230 02:21:48,801 --> 02:21:46,320 on the door which actually scared away 3231 02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:50,850 Jehovah's Witnesses the other day they 3232 02:21:56,490 --> 02:21:53,530 refused to knock on the door oh that's 3233 02:21:58,560 --> 02:21:56,500 great and what they'll do is they'll 3234 02:22:00,690 --> 02:21:58,570 bring back the ghost of Michael Jackson 3235 02:22:04,621 --> 02:22:00,700 for this transmission and that's gonna 3236 02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:04,631 be really scary yeah yeah we had a 3237 02:22:08,400 --> 02:22:06,160 channel Michael Jackson here for the 3238 02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:08,410 show and let's see what his opinions on 3239 02:22:14,131 --> 02:22:10,450 UFOs were I'm sure they were they were 3240 02:22:17,791 --> 02:22:14,141 unique and and what's the word 3241 02:22:21,360 --> 02:22:17,801 clickbait clickbait yeah well you know 3242 02:22:24,301 --> 02:22:21,370 that the word unique is based on two 3243 02:22:27,570 --> 02:22:24,311 Latin roots uni meaning one and equus 3244 02:22:32,700 --> 02:22:27,580 meaning horse so that pretty well 3245 02:22:37,230 --> 02:22:32,710 describes this shows only myth it's only 3246 02:22:40,411 --> 02:22:37,240 missing the dog right yeah I'll bring in 3247 02:22:43,890 --> 02:22:40,421 my dog teddy bear and he'll make up the 3248 02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:43,900 difference this white furry thing that 3249 02:22:48,900 --> 02:22:45,280 occasionally makes his presence known 3250 02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:48,910 even when you say be quiet to make a lot 3251 02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:50,290 of noise that's when he really starts 3252 02:22:54,301 --> 02:22:52,750 growling and barking but that's 3253 02:22:57,470 --> 02:22:54,311 interesting too because I was reading 3254 02:23:02,671 --> 02:22:57,480 the other day about the amazing 3255 02:23:06,060 --> 02:23:02,681 sensitivity of a canines sense of smell 3256 02:23:08,511 --> 02:23:06,070 I mean sensing the presence of someone 3257 02:23:12,980 --> 02:23:08,521 buried thirty and thirty feet of ice 3258 02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:12,990 yeah not only that I have a niece who is 3259 02:23:26,850 --> 02:23:20,410 diabetic and for $20,000 you can I don't 3260 02:23:29,791 --> 02:23:26,860 know purchase a diabetic sensing dog yes 3261 02:23:32,520 --> 02:23:29,801 who will who who has a companion animal 3262 02:23:36,211 --> 02:23:32,530 who will let the owner know when he or 3263 02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:36,221 she needs to take insulin based on their 3264 02:23:40,831 --> 02:23:39,280 the smell of their their their body you 3265 02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:40,841 know that type of thing and that's 3266 02:23:45,780 --> 02:23:43,120 fascinating I think it's it's really 3267 02:23:49,381 --> 02:23:45,790 quite remarkable well you know 3268 02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:49,391 supposedly a dog can also sense the 3269 02:23:57,011 --> 02:23:53,650 possible presence of cancer in an 3270 02:24:00,610 --> 02:23:57,021 individual because of what they smell 3271 02:24:03,610 --> 02:24:00,620 yeah and and the breath of that people 3272 02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:03,620 have can often be you know an indication 3273 02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:06,610 of a whole series of different ailments 3274 02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:10,130 well the Supreme Court accepts dogs by 3275 02:24:15,131 --> 02:24:12,650 the way is being reliable let's talk 3276 02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:15,141 more about this this show is definitely 3277 02:24:19,421 --> 02:24:17,450 not going to the dogs we got one more 3278 02:24:22,180 --> 02:24:19,431 segment to spend with Chris rutkowski 3279 02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:22,190 and Jean Steinberg and Greg Bishop 3280 02:24:30,930 --> 02:24:39,140 [Music] 3281 02:24:47,570 --> 02:24:43,040 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cast let me tell you what 3392 02:29:02,190 --> 02:28:58,660 you're gonna hear stuff here that you 3393 02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:02,200 probably won't hear anywhere else hear 3394 02:29:07,890 --> 02:29:06,250 that George Noory this is the first time 3395 02:29:09,570 --> 02:29:07,900 on this episode that people who are 3396 02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:09,580 saying the para cast have had the sound 3397 02:29:15,750 --> 02:29:13,090 effects well we're always going to the 3398 02:29:18,270 --> 02:29:15,760 next level always the next level yeah I 3399 02:29:19,921 --> 02:29:18,280 could use a guitar once I think well the 3400 02:29:22,500 --> 02:29:19,931 way you played the guitar that was the 3401 02:29:24,390 --> 02:29:22,510 issue yeah it was terrible but it was 3402 02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:24,400 just being used as as a sound effects 3403 02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:25,990 generator not not because I'm any good 3404 02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:28,570 at the guitar I'm talking about the 3405 02:29:32,881 --> 02:29:30,370 sensitivities of canine is Chris 3406 02:29:35,671 --> 02:29:32,891 Markowski I'm thinking they can smell 3407 02:29:39,810 --> 02:29:35,681 all these things can they smell a UFO 3408 02:29:41,341 --> 02:29:39,820 having a dog as a UFO detector well we 3409 02:29:43,820 --> 02:29:41,351 do know there's lots of documented cases 3410 02:29:46,200 --> 02:29:43,830 in fact I think in the UFO database 3411 02:29:49,620 --> 02:29:46,210 there are many cases of animals being 3412 02:29:54,060 --> 02:29:49,630 agitated when UFOs are being seen and so 3413 02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:54,070 forth we do know that dogs and cats are 3414 02:30:00,390 --> 02:29:56,530 actually used to predict earthquakes in 3415 02:30:02,610 --> 02:30:00,400 some cases in fact one indicator of a 3416 02:30:05,220 --> 02:30:02,620 coming earthquake I think they use in 3417 02:30:08,671 --> 02:30:05,230 Japan is that they monitor the number of 3418 02:30:10,890 --> 02:30:08,681 lost and runaway cats and dogs because 3419 02:30:11,940 --> 02:30:10,900 they tend to run away just previous to a 3420 02:30:13,790 --> 02:30:11,950 major earthquake 3421 02:30:17,220 --> 02:30:13,800 there's a book wonderful book called 3422 02:30:20,580 --> 02:30:17,230 when the snakes awake by I think it's 3423 02:30:23,610 --> 02:30:20,590 helmet Trebek and it's all about the way 3424 02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:23,620 that animals can detect our environment 3425 02:30:26,610 --> 02:30:25,570 particularly earthquakes and if Michael 3426 02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,620 Persinger is right and there is a 3427 02:30:30,990 --> 02:30:28,240 relationship between UFOs and 3428 02:30:32,910 --> 02:30:31,000 earthquakes it makes perfect sense that 3429 02:30:35,730 --> 02:30:32,920 animals might be able to detect such 3430 02:30:37,801 --> 02:30:35,740 electromagnetic radiation ahead of 3431 02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:37,811 anything that we might be able to see so 3432 02:30:42,900 --> 02:30:40,450 I think there might be something there 3433 02:30:47,820 --> 02:30:42,910 well imagine now somebody start selling 3434 02:30:50,011 --> 02:30:47,830 a UFO sniffing dog it's only $100,000 3435 02:30:51,570 --> 02:30:50,021 send me a check I'll send you the dog 3436 02:30:53,671 --> 02:30:51,580 he'll be house-trained or she'll be 3437 02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:53,681 house-trained no don't do that I'm not 3438 02:30:58,440 --> 02:30:56,080 offering this you know what I'm 3439 02:31:00,690 --> 02:30:58,450 expecting is somebody out there will 3440 02:31:02,940 --> 02:31:00,700 have this spirit to earn a little money 3441 02:31:05,850 --> 02:31:02,950 but I don't see how you train this 3442 02:31:08,250 --> 02:31:05,860 for obviously a dog being agitated at 3443 02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:08,260 the presence of something unknown mmhmm 3444 02:31:11,940 --> 02:31:10,479 yeah something truly frightening you 3445 02:31:13,890 --> 02:31:11,950 know there might be some way of doing it 3446 02:31:16,410 --> 02:31:13,900 I don't know there's probably a market 3447 02:31:18,660 --> 02:31:16,420 for it that's all I can say there is a 3448 02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:18,670 market for everything they do have that 3449 02:31:21,810 --> 02:31:20,410 cat that used to know when people were 3450 02:31:23,400 --> 02:31:21,820 gonna die and go ahead and sit in their 3451 02:31:24,810 --> 02:31:23,410 room or something like that I don't know 3452 02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:24,820 how it knew that either by knew it 3453 02:31:29,130 --> 02:31:27,370 knowing the knowing the future or 3454 02:31:32,010 --> 02:31:29,140 smelling their are sensing something 3455 02:31:33,630 --> 02:31:32,020 that humans can't sense probably 3456 02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:33,640 smelling something that's what I think 3457 02:31:37,560 --> 02:31:36,010 would be probably but I don't know I 3458 02:31:38,610 --> 02:31:37,570 have never heard of another cat that did 3459 02:31:42,030 --> 02:31:38,620 that that was the only one that was ever 3460 02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:42,040 in the news it was in a hospice indeed 3461 02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:45,010 so as humans what do we do with the UFO 3462 02:31:49,290 --> 02:31:47,200 phenomenon what's what's our approach to 3463 02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:49,300 the UFO question they the animals can 3464 02:31:54,540 --> 02:31:51,550 sense it we just don't seem to have the 3465 02:31:57,030 --> 02:31:54,550 ability so far unless you're a psychic 3466 02:31:59,580 --> 02:31:57,040 or a channeler what's the solution what 3467 02:32:01,140 --> 02:31:59,590 can we practically do practically I 3468 02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:01,150 think there's nothing we can do because 3469 02:32:05,940 --> 02:32:03,130 if there was something we could do we 3470 02:32:08,040 --> 02:32:05,950 would have done it yeah maybe it's just 3471 02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:08,050 a matter of trying to I go back to the 3472 02:32:14,850 --> 02:32:10,050 fact that ufologists are detectives 3473 02:32:17,340 --> 02:32:14,860 trying to piece together all this mass 3474 02:32:19,380 --> 02:32:17,350 of data and trying to sift out the the 3475 02:32:21,090 --> 02:32:19,390 red herrings looking for the the real 3476 02:32:24,390 --> 02:32:21,100 good stuff they're the real meat of the 3477 02:32:27,740 --> 02:32:24,400 matter and I think it's out there and I 3478 02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:27,750 think there is a real good source for 3479 02:32:32,730 --> 02:32:30,160 scientific investigation and study and 3480 02:32:35,550 --> 02:32:32,740 that's my hope for the future at this 3481 02:32:37,290 --> 02:32:35,560 time during Halloween when things go 3482 02:32:40,020 --> 02:32:37,300 bump in the night what's that the the 3483 02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:40,030 Gaelic prayer or corn asparagus from 3484 02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:41,770 Ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged 3485 02:32:45,060 --> 02:32:44,740 beasties and things that the go bump in 3486 02:32:47,910 --> 02:32:45,070 the night 3487 02:32:49,770 --> 02:32:47,920 the good Lord deliver us is there ever 3488 02:32:52,650 --> 02:32:49,780 going to be an end to this you have been 3489 02:32:55,110 --> 02:32:52,660 at it for a number of years I have been 3490 02:32:58,320 --> 02:32:55,120 at it for more years because I'm older 3491 02:33:01,200 --> 02:32:58,330 we know Greg Bishop has been involved in 3492 02:33:03,510 --> 02:33:01,210 studies for a number of years I never 3493 02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:03,520 see an end game you know I just see the 3494 02:33:07,980 --> 02:33:05,290 people who have these four long hopes 3495 02:33:11,130 --> 02:33:07,990 that oh there's gonna be disclosure or 3496 02:33:15,100 --> 02:33:11,140 the president whoever he or she might be 3497 02:33:19,421 --> 02:33:15,110 will lead et to the podium 3498 02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:19,431 gonna happen yeah and again it's this 3499 02:33:22,930 --> 02:33:21,530 why you're in ufology as I say a lot of 3500 02:33:24,820 --> 02:33:22,940 field investigators that I've spoken 3501 02:33:27,131 --> 02:33:24,830 with they're in it to prove once and for 3502 02:33:29,081 --> 02:33:27,141 all it that aliens are here if that's 3503 02:33:30,961 --> 02:33:29,091 what you're trying to do good for you 3504 02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:30,971 but I don't think you're gonna get there 3505 02:33:39,390 --> 02:33:36,530 and you know I it's I'm fascinated by 3506 02:33:41,890 --> 02:33:39,400 the phenomenon itself and that's why I 3507 02:33:44,350 --> 02:33:41,900 attend some conventions I engage in 3508 02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,360 discourse I do podcasts I write books 3509 02:33:49,301 --> 02:33:46,880 and do a tremendous amount of reading 3510 02:33:53,051 --> 02:33:49,311 for me it's fascinating it's a study of 3511 02:33:55,720 --> 02:33:53,061 the human condition a quest of humans to 3512 02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:55,730 try and understand who we are by looking 3513 02:34:02,051 --> 02:33:58,160 outward into the universe and for me 3514 02:34:04,270 --> 02:34:02,061 that's a fascinating field of study and 3515 02:34:05,740 --> 02:34:04,280 perhaps it's not even ufology perhaps 3516 02:34:08,081 --> 02:34:05,750 it's something else entirely 3517 02:34:10,301 --> 02:34:08,091 what is your endgame is there any end 3518 02:34:11,740 --> 02:34:10,311 game for what you do I don't think I 3519 02:34:13,450 --> 02:34:11,750 could come up with a real end game as I 3520 02:34:15,461 --> 02:34:13,460 say I'm as fascinated by the entire 3521 02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:15,471 thing I want to know more I want to 3522 02:34:21,761 --> 02:34:18,170 understand more is there an aspect that 3523 02:34:24,490 --> 02:34:21,771 I haven't realized yet for me it's just 3524 02:34:26,350 --> 02:34:24,500 a matter of listening to more stories 3525 02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:26,360 listening to more people and engaging in 3526 02:34:31,870 --> 02:34:28,250 the conversation and encouraging people 3527 02:34:34,001 --> 02:34:31,880 if there was an end game I would like to 3528 02:34:36,520 --> 02:34:34,011 encourage more open discussion and try 3529 02:34:38,591 --> 02:34:36,530 and be a liaison between the various 3530 02:34:41,801 --> 02:34:38,601 factions within ufology and in fact 3531 02:34:43,780 --> 02:34:41,811 between the skeptics and debunkers and 3532 02:34:45,730 --> 02:34:43,790 the other sides just to get people 3533 02:34:48,011 --> 02:34:45,740 talking to try and get a better 3534 02:34:51,341 --> 02:34:48,021 understanding of what's really going on 3535 02:34:53,770 --> 02:34:51,351 well to get a skeptic to accept the 3536 02:34:56,530 --> 02:34:53,780 possibility that they might be wrong to 3537 02:34:59,261 --> 02:34:56,540 get a believer in et to accept the 3538 02:35:01,990 --> 02:34:59,271 possibility they might be wrong that's a 3539 02:35:04,060 --> 02:35:02,000 pretty tall order it is but maybe it's 3540 02:35:06,220 --> 02:35:04,070 not a matter of accepting that we're 3541 02:35:08,261 --> 02:35:06,230 wrong or right maybe just a matter of 3542 02:35:12,600 --> 02:35:08,271 getting people to even sit down at the 3543 02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,610 same table I mean the the combined 3544 02:35:17,350 --> 02:35:15,200 European trade agreement or whatever it 3545 02:35:19,001 --> 02:35:17,360 is now the half the problem is just 3546 02:35:20,740 --> 02:35:19,011 getting people to sit down at the table 3547 02:35:22,900 --> 02:35:20,750 not to agree that each other is right 3548 02:35:25,211 --> 02:35:22,910 but just to sit down and have the 3549 02:35:26,860 --> 02:35:25,221 discussions at all and even getting 3550 02:35:28,350 --> 02:35:26,870 people to that point is darn near 3551 02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:28,360 impossible 3552 02:35:34,381 --> 02:35:31,570 well back in the 1980s Republican Ronald 3553 02:35:36,470 --> 02:35:34,391 Reagan Democrat Tip O'Neill would do 3554 02:35:39,660 --> 02:35:36,480 their Republican and Democratic things 3555 02:35:42,570 --> 02:35:39,670 at the end of the day they sit back 3556 02:35:45,810 --> 02:35:42,580 together and have a couple of drinks a 3557 02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:45,820 couple of old Irishmen and they have a 3558 02:35:50,820 --> 02:35:46,690 good time 3559 02:35:53,131 --> 02:35:50,830 you can't have that anymore it would be 3560 02:35:56,131 --> 02:35:53,141 very tough to do it in a lot of 3561 02:35:57,211 --> 02:35:56,141 different fields of study absolutely but 3562 02:36:01,051 --> 02:35:57,221 maybe it's the direction that we should 3563 02:36:03,480 --> 02:36:01,061 be going maybe I mean Hynek used to know 3564 02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,490 actually a freedman used to talk about 3565 02:36:09,301 --> 02:36:05,200 the difference between believers and 3566 02:36:12,331 --> 02:36:09,311 non-believers about a Catholic priest 3567 02:36:13,410 --> 02:36:12,341 arguing with a rabbi you know you think 3568 02:36:14,671 --> 02:36:13,420 that they're coming at it from two 3569 02:36:16,620 --> 02:36:14,681 different directions but they really 3570 02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:16,630 have a lot in common when you really 3571 02:36:20,850 --> 02:36:19,120 look at it and I think that's that's 3572 02:36:23,310 --> 02:36:20,860 probably the way I'd like to see things 3573 02:36:24,110 --> 02:36:23,320 go I do have some hope that that can be 3574 02:36:26,700 --> 02:36:24,120 achieved 3575 02:36:29,220 --> 02:36:26,710 well if Catholics and Jews can come 3576 02:36:31,770 --> 02:36:29,230 together maybe UFO believers and 3577 02:36:34,081 --> 02:36:31,780 skeptics could as well but more about 3578 02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:34,091 Republicans and Democrats Chris 3579 02:36:38,881 --> 02:36:37,120 rutkowski please tell our listeners what 3580 02:36:41,490 --> 02:36:38,891 you're doing what's coming up and where 3581 02:36:44,881 --> 02:36:41,500 they can find more of your stuff well my 3582 02:36:46,620 --> 02:36:44,891 books are on Amazon right now in fact 3583 02:36:49,081 --> 02:36:46,630 there's a new bundle that just been 3584 02:36:52,051 --> 02:36:49,091 released on Kindle it's called the 3585 02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:52,061 collected works of Chris Rakowski and 3586 02:36:58,921 --> 02:36:54,610 you look under my last name are you TK 3587 02:37:01,490 --> 02:36:58,931 OWS ki and there's five books that have 3588 02:37:04,980 --> 02:37:01,500 been bundled in a Kindle collection 3589 02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:04,990 that's one way of reading my my work I'm 3590 02:37:10,310 --> 02:37:06,730 continually working on the Canadian UFO 3591 02:37:15,001 --> 02:37:10,320 survey collecting cases investigating 3592 02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:15,011 engaging in active discourse on Twitter 3593 02:37:20,990 --> 02:37:17,950 and Facebook and my blog which is you 3594 02:37:25,711 --> 02:37:21,000 forum you fo are um dot blog spot.com 3595 02:37:27,870 --> 02:37:25,721 and enjoying being on podcasts and 3596 02:37:30,480 --> 02:37:27,880 vodcasts and all those other casts 3597 02:37:32,761 --> 02:37:30,490 talking about the UFO phenomenon with 3598 02:37:34,921 --> 02:37:32,771 people like Jean Steinberg and Greg 3599 02:37:36,770 --> 02:37:34,931 Bishop Greg tell our listeners where 3600 02:37:40,440 --> 02:37:36,780 they can find more the things you do 3601 02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:40,450 they can either go to radio Mysterio 3602 02:37:43,720 --> 02:37:41,990 SOCOM 3603 02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:43,730 just put my name in with it and it'll 3604 02:37:49,870 --> 02:37:47,090 come up and my latest book is it defies 3605 02:37:53,380 --> 02:37:49,880 language and you can get that on on 3606 02:37:54,880 --> 02:37:53,390 Kindle on Amazon and at Lulu actually 3607 02:37:57,460 --> 02:37:54,890 Kindle would probably be the best for me 3608 02:37:59,170 --> 02:37:57,470 and I thank you for your interest you 3609 02:38:01,330 --> 02:37:59,180 can find us on Twitter if you look for 3610 02:38:04,540 --> 02:38:01,340 the power cast you can find two official 3611 02:38:08,261 --> 02:38:04,550 power cast fan clubs on Facebook and you 3612 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